Posted on Oct 24, 2017
Do cadets actually outrank non-commissioned officers?
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I deal with cadets a lot, and they insist they out "rank" every NCO in the army. My usual response is somewhere around the guides of "uh-huh." Can I get some clarity of this?
Posted 8 y ago
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You'll have to excuse the following comment, but Wuhan virus mania has worn me down.
If I read one more 'do cadets outrank...' or 'I've applied to OCS and...' or 'my unit want to (insert action here), can the commander...?' post I will climb the nearest flagpole...nekkid and hang a pair of skivvies from the dang thing.
If I read one more 'do cadets outrank...' or 'I've applied to OCS and...' or 'my unit want to (insert action here), can the commander...?' post I will climb the nearest flagpole...nekkid and hang a pair of skivvies from the dang thing.
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Cadet is not a rank in the US military. They are put in positions of authority for mentoring and learning their job, eg we had West Point Cadets at Basic training, and we had to obey them, but their authority was delegated via the drill sergeant. I was a cadet for two years before I decided to enlist. I was a "cadidiot" at Airborne School, which was considered one step below a private. In 2 years of ROTC, the officers and NCOs impressed on us that we held no rank or authority until we received our commissions.
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Its best to let Actually commissioned Officer deal with these situations unless you want to have some fun then have the Cadet walk into the BN CSM's office and explain that reasoning to him/her. I have served with Cadets while on AD and in the Reserves. I treated them like officers so they could gets some experience. I rarely had to go off on one because usually a LT/CPT or higher would be nearby and snatch the wayward cadet before they lost a large portion of their 4th POC. I felt sorry for them because the Officers would have a come to Jesus talk with them that used less vulgarity but scared them just the same.
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Thankfully all the cadets that came through understood their role. I were there to learn. Even when I went to west point to train cadets, they understood I was there to train them. Only 2-3 cadets were infantry, this pog cadet acted like he knew land nav from boy scouts. Obviously, I trained him properly and he realized he was an idiot
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I guess I really don't understand the question. Yes, I know some cadets think they are God's gift to the military but it probably doesn't take them too long once on active duty to get real. I was commissioned through the Army ROTC program. Prior to commissioning I was discharged as an E-3, which is what I would have gone into the Army as had I not successfully completed my degree program. No, an E-3 does not outrank non-commissioned officers.
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Depends on what year they are in...generally speaking a Senior cadet does outrank an NCO as odd as that may sound.
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When I enlisted in 1974, my Drill Sergeant drilled it into out heads this saying, "WHEN IN DOUBT, WHIP IT OUT!" and he didn't mean from our pants either. Read AR 600-20. It will spell it out for you.
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Rank and Respect. I internalized a great maxim, as an officer long before I became an officer: If I have to tell someone I "outrank you", there's a different issue. It boils down to, is the higher rank not worthy of respect OR is the subordinate being insubordinate?
I've seen both scenarios, neither are good. Best thing to do: lead by example, we are all subordinate and higher in different contexts. Be an excellent leader, be an excellent subordinate.
It works out well.
Lead, follow, or STFU.
I've seen both scenarios, neither are good. Best thing to do: lead by example, we are all subordinate and higher in different contexts. Be an excellent leader, be an excellent subordinate.
It works out well.
Lead, follow, or STFU.
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The only NCO ranks , cadets out rank is a Marine Lance Corporal, and all other Corporals in the U.S. Military. Cadets hold the equivalent rank of Sgt, E-5 , regardless of their cadet rank... this has not changed in a lot of year's, due to the placement of Military Academy's in the Military structure. Why Military Cadre hold and maintain there respective ranks while serving as instructor's and or staff at a military academy...
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