Posted on Dec 14, 2020
Do I need to render a salute to an officer when my hands are occupied?
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This is the second time I’ve gotten reprimanded for this situation. I was walking with a binder in my hands, and a mug in the other hand. I walked past a CSM and a CPT, greeted both as I was unable to salute. CSM stopped me and demanded that I drop everything to salute the CPT. AR 600-25 states that I am not required to render a salute if I am carrying articles with both hands. What is the right answer?
Posted 5 y ago
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Could you have held both for a second with your left arm? Binder under arm and mug on hand.
I’ve dropped stuff before to salute someone, or walked far far away
I’ve dropped stuff before to salute someone, or walked far far away
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no . stand or sit at attention . basic instruction . csm is abusing power . but then cup in hand may be construed as out of uniform (stretching it) .
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CPT William Jones
Cup in hand being incorrect is not stretching any more than thinking it qualifies as something that cannot be moved to left hand holding abinder.
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Funny story...
While at OCS they have their own set of OCS Land Rules you follow. So one day showing up to the Barracks I was carrying a ton of crap and out of nowhere a TAC Officer walks around the corner, I easily could’ve gotten away with announcing The First Five Words with the proper greeting of the day since I had a ton of stuff on my back and in my hands. But being the jackass inside I just threw all my shit to the ground and screamed the First Five Words and proper greeting of the day with a salute and that TAC Officer stopped and couldn’t stop laughing while saluting me back. Then he told me to get the hell outta of there! He never messed with me again throughout OCS, I guess he knew That I knew how to play games too. Haha
While at OCS they have their own set of OCS Land Rules you follow. So one day showing up to the Barracks I was carrying a ton of crap and out of nowhere a TAC Officer walks around the corner, I easily could’ve gotten away with announcing The First Five Words with the proper greeting of the day since I had a ton of stuff on my back and in my hands. But being the jackass inside I just threw all my shit to the ground and screamed the First Five Words and proper greeting of the day with a salute and that TAC Officer stopped and couldn’t stop laughing while saluting me back. Then he told me to get the hell outta of there! He never messed with me again throughout OCS, I guess he knew That I knew how to play games too. Haha
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CPT William Jones
I had similar problem. Carrying a squad worth of freshly starched uniforms for my squad back to barracks when I saw my tax officer about 30-40 feet away facing me talking to another. I stopped saluted and said good evening sir. He replied by saying drop( 20 push-ups) we did this twice. Bugle blew retreat. We all saluted. I again saluted him and said good evening sir again he said carry on I did. That night he called me down and asked if I figured why he dropped me. I had no idea being a Texas candidate he told me proper greeting before retreat is good afternoon. After it is good evening. Old habits die hard but I did learn exactly when good afternoon changes to good evening. Never messed up again and that was 57 years ago
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I don’t know if anyone else already threw this idea out there, but maybe take and use a lesson from the E-4 mafia on this one and create a new option. Provided there are no regs prohibiting, invest in an in-reg courier bag and sling that shit over your shoulder. If you’re running binders/folders/paperwork back and forth between buildings all day, it might be reassuring to know you aren’t going to lose anything accidentally to wind/water/carelessness. And frees up your left hand for your mug. Right hand is free, so render salute and carry on smartly about your day, amirite?
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In that situation (during my 22 years of service) I would try to hold the binder under my left arm so I could then hold the mug in my left hand, which would enable me to salute. Not for the whole walk, mind you, just when I saw the officer approaching. Return to holding things normally after you've passed him/her. Or the alternative is that when you see them approaching, you turn and walk a different direction temporarily in order to not pass within saluting distance. LOL. Yes, you are technically correct that if your hands are full, you don't need to salute- but it never, ever feels right doing it.
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Need to clear Right Hand / Arm to the Left Hand / Arm to render the greeting if possible unless you can't discard your load. There is two alternatives. You can sit your load down and render the greeting or the Officer says "Carry One".
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Only an officer who is a real dick would make a big deal of this. In Vietnam, in the field, officers didn't want to be saluted because snipers liked to target officers.
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Unless what you are carrying requires 2 hands your right hand should never be full. A binder and a mug is incorrect and your failure to render a proper salute is all one you.
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My experience, as a CW3, was to use common sense. If I approached someone obligated to salute but, legitimately, had his hand full, I returned the salute he was going render.
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