Posted on Dec 14, 2020
Do I need to render a salute to an officer when my hands are occupied?
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This is the second time I’ve gotten reprimanded for this situation. I was walking with a binder in my hands, and a mug in the other hand. I walked past a CSM and a CPT, greeted both as I was unable to salute. CSM stopped me and demanded that I drop everything to salute the CPT. AR 600-25 states that I am not required to render a salute if I am carrying articles with both hands. What is the right answer?
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That is talking about needing two hands to carry an item - ie a large box. You would have been able to have tucked the binder under your arm - and hold the cup in your left hand. - On the other hand, were you carrying those items as you did, just so you would not have to salute?
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If what you wrote is correct, the CSM is a jerk. My problem is a binder and a mug. What are you doing drinking and walking [especially in uniform]. I was taught not to eat or drink outside while walking--it can get messy. Walking down the hall or a "no salute" area is different story.
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Whenever I see an officer approaching, I stop what I’m doing. Render the proper salute, then continue on after the officer has proceeded on his/ her way.
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Greet them with the proper military respect and move out. That CSM was being an asshat.
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CPT William Jones
I thought it was every NCO's job to train and correct SM actions when they were inproper. Not correctig one is being derilect in the NCO's job.And this time the SM admited they had been corrected for this problem before, he didnt even have to try to figure out what he should do, he had alredy had it explained to him by a CSM. SM need extra duty study on customs and D & C and his squad ldr and plt sgt should administer the class
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Upon seeing the approaching officer he should of stopped and placed the item in his right hand on the ground and come to the position of attention and held the salute till the officer has returned the salute.
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CPT William Jones
If service membe is carrying so much stuffIt cannot be placed in his left hand they are not required to stop and put something on the ground the issue is are my handss full of military stuff ot will all the stuff I am carringto much to salute. in this case it was no issue what he needed to do. By his own addmisssionhe had been corrected before doing this same thing.
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Some officers are full of themselves. I had a similar experience. I had books under both arms and got chewed out for not saluting one officer. The other officers I crossed path with never said a word.
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CPT William Jones
you did not state how many books and their size in your comment. if the total was less than 3 or 4 ey could maybe have all been placed on one side (left). example 6 Doctor Spoc books easy one arm. Three old fashioned encyclopedia probably mac for one arm maybe just two.So what was your load that an officer talked to you about a regulation violation.
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PO2 Stephen Cline
If I had them under both arms must have been more than I could carry under one arm. I love how people read things into what other people say. I will add this she never got her salute.
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Its generally understood that if both hands are being used that you simply acknowledge the officer. Nevertheless, that is an understanding, not a policy. If the officer needs you to render a salute, then you put down whatever you're carrying or stop what you're doing and render a salute. You always follow orders even when its not expected, completely unnecessary, and makes no sense. Some officer and even more NCO will purposely put you in harms way for no good reason other than to satisfy their fragile egos. Just keep in mind the if you're hurt in the process, the service will pay for your recuperation, and you may receive benefits for any lasting ailment caused by doing so.
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if you are doing meaningful work and your arms filled , than you can say by your leave. It should show your tribute to the officer, just don't make it a habit. a coffee cup may not be seen as meaningful.
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You need an attitude adjustment. If you use this as an excuse to salute which is military courtesy, I am pretty sure it will become something else in the future. Put the stuff down, salute, then move out. It's what soldiers do.
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