Posted on Jan 15, 2016
Do Pathfinder wings have to be flush with the pocket on ASUs?
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I work as a Technician in the NG. I manage the DA photo lab in the J6 Visual Information office. Today while in the lab talking to the photographer an E-7 walked in for a photo. I have spent many hours in the photo lab and consider myself a DA Pam 670-1 expert. When I told this E-7 his Pathfinder wings were not flush below his pocket he said that "Active Pathfinders cant/tilt their wings". I searched for hours on traditions and looked in the DA Pam. His photo has already been uploaded but I'm asking for my sanity because I've been searching for hours now.
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1SG (Join to see), I looked up the regs for uniforms, medals, and badges. Here's the link:
http://www.apd.army.mil/pdffiles/p670_1.pdf
http://www.apd.army.mil/pdffiles/p670_1.pdf
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Oh the good ole days, how I miss them. No one knows what to say to a pilot with a torch. Just funny looks.....
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I've been there. They see me with a torch and a star on my jump wings and look like a dog that just heard a really high-pitched noise...
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My understanding is that the tilt is like redlegs wearing red bowtie, red suspenders, and red socks something for special events to show a status but not in DA photos
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"Tradition" is meaningless when taking a DA photo. You follow the regulations, to the letter. That is the whole point of the photo. Active paratroopers don't wear their jump boots and backgrounds in their DA photos, so why should an "active pathfinder" wear his badge in a manner not prescribed by the reg?
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It's not prescribed to be worn a certain way sir. I think that's what is causing the issue lol.
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MAJ Tom McCuin
Figure 20-44 on page 274 of DA Pam 670-1 depicts the Pathfinder Badge. Figure 20-61 on Page 288 shows it as it’s worn on the pocket flap. Figure 20-65 on Page 291 shows how it’s worn on the ACU. In all three cases, the torch is vertical. If there’s another way it’s authorized to be worn, it would be the only instance in the entire reg where that’s the case. Wanna try that again?
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There is but one standard it does not change per the component you are currently serving be it Active, Reserve, or Guard. Centralized Promotion boards look numerous items when selecting personnel for promotion. Is one canted badge going to stop this SFC from being selected for promotion, probably not. However, a board will notice and make deductions due to the discrepancy on his uniform.
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I was an PFDR instructor for many years and yes it’s a tradition that PFDRs in company’s designated to utilize that skill set that the wings are worn tilted, however 670-1 doesn’t clarify if this is authorized but straiting the badge aligned with other badges presents a neater appearance! So shooters prefrence I guess but I wore mine aligned with other badges not canted and was selected for promotion so...
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I wore them straight, I made sure the PF's in my unit were them straight! Have a little pride guys! Jeez
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I concur with Top. A DA Photo is NOT the place to prove a point, especially if being considered for promotion. DA Photos are what tell the promotion board members what the Soldier looks like and how they wear their uniform. It says a lot and anything that does not look right or IAW AR 670-1 will be suspect. There is not time for board members to research right or wrong on boards. Go with what you know and wear your uniform IAW the regs and you will never go wrong. Remember image is everything, what people see is what they believe, they form an opinion instantly. Perception is reality, if board members perceive something to be wrong on a photo they will go with that feeling.
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