Posted on May 22, 2016
Do we need a fence to stop illegal trespassing into the United States?
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A relative sent me a copy of an essay claiming the Missouri didn't have any illegal aliens residing in the state because of the foresight of their government in (1) making English the state's official language and (2) precluding illegals from drawing welfare and education benefits. Naturally, I had to check this out and found that it was "Mostly True". Of course, there are different interpretations of "the facts". You should check them out for yourself.
https://www.google.com/#q=are+there+illegals+in+missouri
Generally, it seems that we could save ourselves a lot of trouble if we adopted the Missouri plan. It might even save us the cost of building "The Wall".
BTW, I wanted to tag this discussion as "Illegal Aliens" but no such category exists. I didn't want to tag it "Immigrants" or "Immigration" because illegal aliens aren't immigrants, not by any definition of the word.
https://www.google.com/#q=are+there+illegals+in+missouri
Generally, it seems that we could save ourselves a lot of trouble if we adopted the Missouri plan. It might even save us the cost of building "The Wall".
BTW, I wanted to tag this discussion as "Illegal Aliens" but no such category exists. I didn't want to tag it "Immigrants" or "Immigration" because illegal aliens aren't immigrants, not by any definition of the word.
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I would rather see us focus on "common sense" solutions to illegal immigration. Such as English as the language of the government, no benefits for non-citizens, eliminate the "anchor baby" rule, etc.
I'm not opposed to LEGAL immigration (my own family is predominately Dutch-German on my father's side and Scots-Irish on my mother's side). I just don't see why we, as a Nation, tolerate someone breaking into our house, taking our hard-earned possessions, and then demand we pay for their livelihood.
I'm not opposed to LEGAL immigration (my own family is predominately Dutch-German on my father's side and Scots-Irish on my mother's side). I just don't see why we, as a Nation, tolerate someone breaking into our house, taking our hard-earned possessions, and then demand we pay for their livelihood.
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Does the Vatican have walls? Does the White House have walls? Did the wall work in Berlin for decades? Yes, they work in some instances, but when you are talking about 2200 miles with insurmountable terrain, Native American sovereign lands and the ability to tunnel under any fence, or, as proven, climb over existing fences/walls, it is not feasible. What has to be done is find a way to stop the magnets drawing illegals, by that, I mean all illegal alien/immigrants to our country. Trump made a big mistake focusing on Mexicans. They compromise about 60% of the illegal population. The issue is valid, but the identifying of a single group of people was a major error.
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MCPO Roger Collins, Not to mention Trump saying, about the Mexicans, "I suppose there are some good ones, but I'm not sure". Even I didn't like that. Once you say it, it's out there, no matter what's said later, or even an apology. IMHO
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MCPO Roger Collins
MSG (Join to see) - That is something I have found to be how most legal immigrants feel. It's many natural Borneo and illegals that seem to despise their country or adopted country. I have never found a single person that went through the legal process that wasn't patriotic toward our country.
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MCPO Roger Collins
SGT (Join to see) - If that was what he said, I would agree. What the anti Trumper's seem to leave out is his statement referred to illegals. Big intentional omission in my opinion.
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MSG William Wold
I had to put a fence around my place, the home sat in the middle of 2 acres, 1/8 mile down a dusty dirt road. It was not to keep my dogs in, it was to keep others out. We had two dogs come onto our property and attack our two dogs that were innocently sunning themselves on the porch. That's when the fence went up.
Look up and see what Ellis Island was for. Remember the Statue of Liberty does say all that stuff of bring me your tired poor etc, but there was fine print. At the time, ships were the only transportation. Coming into New York, they stopped at the island, people were screened for disease and criminals. If your good to go, you went to the mainland, and took off on your adventure. If not, nope. You brought a skill, a dream and you made it or not, upon those attributes. There were no handouts, except in some cases, 4 stakes, and Go West, find some land, drive the stakes in the 4 corners, build your dream within.
In the 40's, a lot of 18-19yo kids were storming the beaches, now a lot of 18-19yo are whining about having a safe place from "words" .. Stomping on the very flag that represents all the blood sweat and tears keeping the freedom.
So come, knock on my door, I'll let you in, give you a meal, a refreshing shower, shave, be on your way. But do NOT crawl in my back window, help yourself to what's in the fridge, take clothes out of my closet, the cell phone off the table, and drive off in my car, which in essence is what an illegal is doing to this country.
According to a FY 2015 Government Accounting Office PDF file I stumbled upon earlier that says over 79K displaced immigrants have already been placed in the USA, spread around 42 states, it shows where and how many went to each major city area. Each have been given housing, substance, cell phones, transportation, either vehicles or bus passes. The amount spent is absurd. We all know here how Fiscal Years are derived; so these are here "legally" apparently, no wonder no one got a SS increase or raise last year they spent it all on this.
Look up and see what Ellis Island was for. Remember the Statue of Liberty does say all that stuff of bring me your tired poor etc, but there was fine print. At the time, ships were the only transportation. Coming into New York, they stopped at the island, people were screened for disease and criminals. If your good to go, you went to the mainland, and took off on your adventure. If not, nope. You brought a skill, a dream and you made it or not, upon those attributes. There were no handouts, except in some cases, 4 stakes, and Go West, find some land, drive the stakes in the 4 corners, build your dream within.
In the 40's, a lot of 18-19yo kids were storming the beaches, now a lot of 18-19yo are whining about having a safe place from "words" .. Stomping on the very flag that represents all the blood sweat and tears keeping the freedom.
So come, knock on my door, I'll let you in, give you a meal, a refreshing shower, shave, be on your way. But do NOT crawl in my back window, help yourself to what's in the fridge, take clothes out of my closet, the cell phone off the table, and drive off in my car, which in essence is what an illegal is doing to this country.
According to a FY 2015 Government Accounting Office PDF file I stumbled upon earlier that says over 79K displaced immigrants have already been placed in the USA, spread around 42 states, it shows where and how many went to each major city area. Each have been given housing, substance, cell phones, transportation, either vehicles or bus passes. The amount spent is absurd. We all know here how Fiscal Years are derived; so these are here "legally" apparently, no wonder no one got a SS increase or raise last year they spent it all on this.
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