Posted on Feb 2, 2016
SGT Ben Keen
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Lt. Gen. MacFarland has gone on the record to say that we shouldn't look into carpet bombing the ISIS in fear of causing mass casualties among the civilian population.

Do you agree with him or should we look into this type of bombing as a way to end the ISIS?
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COL Jason Smallfield, PMP, CFM, CM
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A few thoughts:
- Carpet bombing is only the answer in a sterile combat environment with no non combatants in the kill zone.
- Carpet bombing is a tactic and not a strategy. Tactics win (or lose) battles while strategies win (or lose) wars.
- The defeat of ISIS will require a whole of government approach (more than just DoD) at all three levels of war (strategic, operational, tactical) and within all domains (sea, air, land, cyber, space, human) over a sustained period of time using kinetic and nonkinetic means.
- We have not had much success against ISIS because the current administration is doing little to nothing with the five points in the above bullet. The first problem is that the administration will not admit there is a problem or use the correct term (radical Islam) to define the problem. It is what it is.
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LTC Paul Labrador
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Bingo on the tactic vs strategy, sir. I was going to say that myself, but saw you beat me to it.

IMHO, the problem is that the administration is dithering because taking action that WILL be effective requires commitment. This administration does not want to commit to anything.
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PO2 Steven Erickson
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Although my Thumbs-Up photo doesn't look very "precise" in the application of ordnance, I agree 100% with your statements, COL Jason Smallfield, PMP, CFM, CM!!!!
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CPT Ceo Lz Herndon
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Only if the carpet dropped is wet and soggy.....this would be water carpet bombing and probably cause suffocation vs just putting them in the dark!
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SSG Warren Swan
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How did it work when we were looking for Bin Laden? Bombing will NOT destroy an ideal. Killing won't either (although it helps). Need a way to discredit them. They're MUCH better than we are in Cyber and media relations. And that's where we need to be to fight them.
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Carpet bombing hasn't been a viable answer since the Gulf War when the Iraqi Army was deployed out in the middle of the desert. Honestly, I think our ends would be best served with next to no bombs dropping from the air. Our answers lie in more subtle means to break their will and fracture their unity. I'd go after their revenue streams, specifically.

However, what the General was doing was a direct response to a statement by Senator Ted Cruz, where he was talking tough about taking on ISIS. It wasn't the smartest statement by Cruz, but it is unusual for a General Officer to weigh in that directly against a sitting Senator unprovoked.
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Maj Kevin "Mac" McLaughlin
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It's a figure of speech. I realize it means a whole different thing to those who are military inclined but he was obviously trying to say he's going to beat the crap out of ISIS.
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Capt Seid Waddell
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Maj Kevin "Mac" McLaughlin, that is the way I took it too, and the way Sen. Cruz explained it in detail.
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Carpet bombing is not the right strategy to defeat ISIS. There are places ISIS is entrenched and bombing certainly helps to defeat them in these areas. However, an extensive bombing campaign in heavily populated civilians areas will not have a positive effect on the long term trajectory of this conflict.
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I can't answer yes or no based on your question. Two questions which contradict each other. Do you agree? Should we look into carpet bombing? I think people have laid out that the phrase "carpet bombing" is loaded and misused, especially in political circles. I assume we are talking about the tactical use of "dumb munitions" dropped in mass on a target in order to cause the most casualties and damage possible regardless of collateral damage. In fact, in this sort of action collateral damage is preferred. The idea held sway in WWII when we attacked industrial and commercial centers of gravity in order to reduce the capacity of an enemy nation to wage war. We were unconcerned with civilian casualties because they were seen as a portion of the enemy war machine. That is not the case today. If you want to defeat ISIS, it will take a whole of government approach as COL Jason Smallfield, PMP, CFM, CM states. That is if you want to DEFEAT ISIS. If you want to NEUTRALIZE them (take away their ability to achieve their intended purpose), then it might be a feasible option. Even though it is feasible, it will never be acceptable or suitable. We simply cannot do the sorts of things that we used to do in WWII. There may come a time where the use of mass amounts of high explosives can solve our problems without concern for civilian casualties, but that time is not now against this enemy.
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LTC Stephen F.
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Carpet bombing made limited sense during the bombing of Dresden and Tokyo and other axis cities in WWII when we did not have sophisticated or accurate targeting systems or munitions SGT Ben Keen. We have had "smart" munitions since the late 1980s at least and each decade has brought advancements in delivery systems. Targeted strategic bombing and targeted tactical bombing guided by ground-based assets makes much more sense than carpet bombing. Air campaigns make sense when included as part of joint operations with operational goals.
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MSgt Michael Smith
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Carpet Bombing? This is one of those stupid suggestions that politicians love to throw out there to convince people that when they are in charge everything will be so much simpler. You want to know what carpet bombing would do do Isis? If we decided to level Raqqa, all we would do is drive the fighters into their bunkers or out of the city, meanwhile we would kill tens of thousands of civilians and create a huge humanitarian crisis. No doubt this action would turn every ally we have in the region against us and legitimize all of the hate and prejudice that countries in the Middle East have against us. It is a stupid and ludicrous idea designed to make a complex situation look really simple.
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bombing? yes. heavy bombing? yes, carpet bombing? for what??? killing all the civilian??? unless the majority of the civilians are supporting the enemy, which we know they are mostly scare the crap out of themselves to stand against ISIS. So No.

Carpet bombing is one of the tactic for conventional all out war, this ISIS war is not a conventional war, and lets hope it will never turn into one ....
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PO2 Steven Erickson
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Although I don't pretend to know how to deal with ISIS, I think Von Clausewitz would point out that this particular enemy has a defined "home state", a population that (unwillingly?) supports the implementation of war actions, and - most importantly - an economic means of supporting war actions. All those, PO3 (Join to see), lead me to think that this IS a condition where "total war" would be a viable strategy. In other words, a full-scale ("total war") military action could defeat ISIS (but NOT the ideas that spawned ISIS). It would be like removing the life-threatening tumor, but being unable to get "all" the cancer.

I, like you, believe that "carpet bombing" is a thing of the past, if you look at the WWII air war against Germany and Japan. But, COL Jason Smallfield, PMP, CFM, CM correctly pointed out that "a sterile combat environment with no non combatants in the kill zone" is a potential arena for "carpet bombing" - and THAT probably doesn't exist without a full State-on-State military conflict.
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How does ISIS still have oil producing capability, just take out the refinery pump houses and cut their flow of cash, without funds ISIS will dry up.
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