Posted on Apr 17, 2018
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I have seen where many veterans have been making degrading remarks about the President of the United States. However, I also have seen threads where actively serving members, verified by RP, are making disparaging remarks.
Is this thought of as a safe space where military justice does not matter?
Is this thought of as a place where military members think they can exercise their first amendment rights?
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SSG Dale London
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At what point do you stop honoring your oath of enlistment/appointment? POTUS is the Commander in Chief and every active service member, veteran and retiree has sworn an oath to protect the Constitution, to obey the orders of the President and to be subject to the UCMJ. Many, if not most of us invoked God to help us in this oath and so far as I know, there is no expiration date on my duty to honor my word.
I can understand that veterans and retirees feel at liberty to denigrate and even disrespect the President but I do not respect them for it. As for actively serving members, to do so, regardless of the forum, is a clear violation of the UCMJ.
In the interest of full disclosure, I served under President Clinton but I did not vote for him. I was and remain in fact viscerally opposed to nearly everything he represents. But while he was in office, I kept my mouth shut and did my job. My word and my honor are more important to me than my dislike of one man.
Allow me to nail my colors to the mast here. I like Donald Trump. No excuses. I think he's doing exactly what he promised to do so far as a recalcitrant congress and obstructive Democratic party will allow. But my support for him HERE comes not from my personal liking for the man but my honor-bound support for the office of POTUS.
Case in point: I did not like Barrack Obama but, even though I am no longer on active duty, while he was in office, I kept my thoughts to myself about him. I did not pick away at his character or verbally attack him. I did what the Constitution allows: I voted against him and for people who stood for what I DO believe in. This is what HONORABLE people do when they have sworn to uphold the Constitution and to obey the President.
Fmr Pres. Obama was elected by the people of the United States fair and square. The rules said he was the man and I play by the rules. Now that he is no longer in office I feel free to criticize him. I strongly suggest that those of you who have sworn the oath abide by it and keep your derogatory comments on Pres. Donald Trump to yourselves until he no longer holds the office. To do otherwise rips at the fabric of our nation and endangers ALL Americans.
I suppose it's as simple as this: what is more important to you? Your honor or your personal proclivities? Your answer will determine your actions.
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Brad Miller
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My understanding, is that the Oath is binding *for the duration of your service*. Now, classified information and such comes under other rules, but the Oath itself is only for time of service.
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SSG Dale London
SSG Dale London
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SPC Mike Davis - 10 U.S. Code § 502 specifies what oath must be sworn when enlisting in the US Armed Forces. It also specifies who may administer the oath. It does not specify, either expressly or by implication, a time when the oath is no longer binding. Furthermore there is no other superceding law that delineates the duration of this obligation. What this boils down to is that, while the jurisdiction of the UCMJ over you may expire when you leave the service, your moral obligation to the oath remains. I have never heard of anyone being prosecuted for violating the oath but I would not have a drink with such a one.
Call me old fashioned but I believe a man is worth no more than his word. An oathbreaker, to me, is a faithless scoundrel, morally bankrupt and void of worth.Such a person would not be my comrade.
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TSgt David Whitmore
TSgt David Whitmore
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SSG Dale London - I like you. I like your words. You said it so much better than I did above. Thank you.
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SSG Dale London
SSG Dale London
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TSgt David Whitmore - Thank you. I suppose I wax eloquent when I get fired up.
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1SG Klayton W. Hayes
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BLUF: NO. We lead by example. Before we opine on any matter on this forum we should place our brain at Parade Rest and reply accordingly.
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COL Jack Taliaferro
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We're talking about the Commander-in-Chief for pete's sake.
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CW4 Air Ambulance Pilot
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Doesn't bother me personally, but I'm pretty sure there's a reg against it.
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CPO Mark Robinson
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When I was a young E-5 I had a Gunnery Sergeant explain it to me. "Two subjects that all military personnel know everything about are sex and politics so there is no sense talking about it."
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Sir, similar things have been talked about on RP before. I personally feel like all service members serving or separated should have respect for one another and each other's opinions. That being said, we all know that if you still wear a uniform, what you say online can still get you into trouble. Just like when you show up to a political event in uniform or associate yourself with groups that are forbidden by the DoD; online activities are viewed in much of the same way. Those still serving should be careful what they say, because like it or not, the POTUS is our Commander-in-Chief (i.e. our boss). On a similar note, over a year ago there was a young Navy Seaman who made posts regarding her support for service members who disrespected the flag in uniform (such as not saluting/kneeling, etc.). Not only was she sharply reprimanded by many on RP, I heard her command also had to have a *talk* with her.
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Maj Robert Thornton
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Thankfully we did not have the proliferation of social media that we have today while I was active. As an officer, one did not wish to be accused of trying to sway a junior regarding who to vote for in an upcoming election.
I don't believe any social media can be considered a "safe space" for any active service member to spout off their opinions regarding current politicians or those running for office.
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SPC Thomas Smith
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Well I must admit I signed up without reading the full contract so I can not say if this is or should he a safe place. That would depend on the contract that we all agreed with. But each soldier especially active should understand that the ucmj is the over all governing body for them and if someone active decided to bring a case against them it would most likely stick. It would be no different then posting an ad in the newspaper. If they can trace it back to u than are screwed
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SSG Jose M. Hernandezsanchez
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Sir,
This whole thing has gotten so out of control is embarrassing. I have never cast a vote, ever. I'm originally from Puerto Rico and never voted for the governor there either, that's how much I care. Maybe someone might comment about my comment on why I'm saying what I'm saying if I don't vote. And that's right, maybe I shouldn't comment of this matter. But I did serve, and 20 years under three different Presidents, and in my opinion that gives me right to say something. I didn't like a lot things our government does and I don't now, but you will never see or hear say any degrading remarks about any of our leadership. When it was time for me to go to Bosnia, I got my butt on that plane, Kosovo, Iraq, Afghanistan, etc. I never questioned or expressed anything derogatory towards the President during those times. Shoot, I don't do it now! So, to those who served and those that are serving, we lived by high standards that a lot of people in our country don't want to live by. As far I know, this is a voluntary thing. If you volunteer, you need to act and conduct yourself accordingly at all times. If not, get out and go work at Burger King or McDonald's.
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Lt Col Jim Coe
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I'm sort of old school, but I think it is inappropriate for service members to express their political beliefs in public. They are certainly entitled to political opinions and to express those opinions at the ballot box. As a military officer and later as an Army Civilian, I did not talk about my political opinions in the workplace except on rate occasions.
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