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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Missouri_State_Militia_(Union)
Missouri has a volunteer state militia. Prior to the civil war the governor would and could call upon it's members to address emergencies, now the state has the National Guard to call on for emergencies, however the state militia continues to exist. It is not a part of the Reserve Military, it is a private defense organization of the state of Missouri, not funded by the state or federal government. Many of it's members are prior military. Their training occurs much the same as on the schedule for the Reserves and National Guard. appreciate all of your replies. I want to be clear here though that what I am talking about is NOT a State funded, ran, structured, controlled organization. It does not fall under the state government in anyway. The meetings, dates, times and locations are by invitation and or for members only. I have provided additional links to their web sites below, in the thread.
Missouri has a volunteer state militia. Prior to the civil war the governor would and could call upon it's members to address emergencies, now the state has the National Guard to call on for emergencies, however the state militia continues to exist. It is not a part of the Reserve Military, it is a private defense organization of the state of Missouri, not funded by the state or federal government. Many of it's members are prior military. Their training occurs much the same as on the schedule for the Reserves and National Guard. appreciate all of your replies. I want to be clear here though that what I am talking about is NOT a State funded, ran, structured, controlled organization. It does not fall under the state government in anyway. The meetings, dates, times and locations are by invitation and or for members only. I have provided additional links to their web sites below, in the thread.
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The force is governed by the military laws of Virginia and managed by the Virginia Department of Military Affairs. The chain of command for the force consists of the Governor of Virginia (Commander-in-Chief), Adjutant General of Virginia, and Commanding General of the Virginia Defense Force.
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1LT William Clardy
Not a problem at all, Sgt Richard Buckner, as you might deduce from my own response somewhere down yonder.
And please note that I am manfully resisting the temptation to make some stereotypical comment about only a Marine seeing nothing unusual about a vote of 11 "yes", 4 "no", and 1 "DECIDED", nor even wonder what was decided....
And please note that I am manfully resisting the temptation to make some stereotypical comment about only a Marine seeing nothing unusual about a vote of 11 "yes", 4 "no", and 1 "DECIDED", nor even wonder what was decided....
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I was considering joining these guys actually. They do a lot of community response; especially during natural events like Hurricanes. I have nothing better to do and I don't view them any differently than the civil air patrol or say the boy scouts (in a certain manner). Just people helping people.
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If you would like to join with us let me know. It is important to understand that we don't get paid anything unless the governor calls us to State Active Duty. I'm not making any money from saying any of that. We are Virginians Helping Virginians. That's what we do. We're all volunteers in the VDF. My paycheck is the same as my General's until the governor says otherwise. Many of us are members of the State Guard Association of the United States. (SGAUS) We have a wide array of positions available right now, prior service is most certainly welcome. We're building a professional force and would love to have you aboard. In many cases we work with the National Guard and even participate in certain training training scenarios with them. It's important to know that if you are already connected to an active military unit, you would not be eligible to serve with us until you separate from it with your clean DD-214.
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Under Title 32 the National Guard and State Defense forces are defined as the "militia."
There are also, at least here in California, several "unorganized militias." Examples of those entities would be like the "Oath Keepers, "III Percenters," "Minutemen," and et cetera. Many of the "unorganized militias" border on merely being groups or gatherings of sovereign citizens.
Sovereign citizens are considered a form of domestic terrorism.... I've study them moderately and had to deal with several in different settings.
So, my answer is, yes. We should have militias as defined by Title 32. I only wish there was better funding for training and equipment!
As for the "unorganized militias," I could very much do without them. I've found that many of the "sovereigns" that I've dealt with started out as decent enough folks, but they took a bad turn someplace. Often it's common that "sovereigns" have had some life altering incident that involved their state or federal government. They then delved into survivalism or prepping. From there they often take a bad outlook on the government and are off to the races.
There are also, at least here in California, several "unorganized militias." Examples of those entities would be like the "Oath Keepers, "III Percenters," "Minutemen," and et cetera. Many of the "unorganized militias" border on merely being groups or gatherings of sovereign citizens.
Sovereign citizens are considered a form of domestic terrorism.... I've study them moderately and had to deal with several in different settings.
So, my answer is, yes. We should have militias as defined by Title 32. I only wish there was better funding for training and equipment!
As for the "unorganized militias," I could very much do without them. I've found that many of the "sovereigns" that I've dealt with started out as decent enough folks, but they took a bad turn someplace. Often it's common that "sovereigns" have had some life altering incident that involved their state or federal government. They then delved into survivalism or prepping. From there they often take a bad outlook on the government and are off to the races.
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1LT William Clardy
CPT Chris Loomis, my understanding is that the Oath Keepers have a national policy of not endorsing militias which are not officially sanctioned by their state government. That is what I have been told, at least.
I'm not disagreeing with your overall statement, just offering a minor clarification.
I'm not disagreeing with your overall statement, just offering a minor clarification.
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COL Charles Williams
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CPT Chris Loomis
1LT William Clardy Sir, I know you're 100% correct. However, it's been my observation, here in CA, that the Oath Keepers are saturated with Sovereigns.... Or at least folks that fit the mold of such.
Also, several of the Oath Keepers "orders we will NOT obey" closely resemble what Sovereigns believe.
Also, several of the Oath Keepers "orders we will NOT obey" closely resemble what Sovereigns believe.
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1LT William Clardy
CPT Chris Loomis, as I said, I am not disagreeing significantly.
It's not the first time that there may be ample daylight between official policy and actual practice.
It's not the first time that there may be ample daylight between official policy and actual practice.
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I am extremely cautious when it comes to the existence of militias! It may become too easy for it to become something that it shouldn't.
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My concern is with militias which start off with good intentions, but turn radical against the government and/or people. Just because others don't agree with their ideology, or "manifesto".
Sure I don't like the way our country is being run. But I do believe in accomplishing change through lawful means at our disposal.
Sure I don't like the way our country is being run. But I do believe in accomplishing change through lawful means at our disposal.
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1LT William Clardy
The Viper Militia is the other bad ending -- a bunch of guys who got together primarily to go out and make small holes in the desert, until an FBI informant joined.
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LTC (Join to see)
State Defense forces have nothing to do with those "rogue militias" They are provided for by law, and you have to apply; they do a criminal background check before you get accepted.
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It is not so much a militia should exist as it is a right. A long with that being said, there are many federal and state laws a militia will want to abide by in order to avoid trouble with overzealous police authority.
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I can agree with State Militias as long as they are fully state funded 100% of the time. They should only be used like they were in the Civil War, and be mobilized within the state to assist with state matters and defense. All members should also take an Oath of Enlistment (or whatever the militia would call it) and be held accountable to it. They should also be held to the same standards as the National Guard.
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MSGT, we do, by definition, we are considered to be light infantry, (this terminology has gone a little vague over the years) but much like our counterparts in the Civil War, We are what's known as an "irregular unit." We take the same oath of enlistment as you did, excepting that we also add "Governor" next to president. We follow the National Guard Playbook, meaning that we follow them. We are subject to the UCMJ. We work with the Army and Air National Guards. We do not leave our states. We're the home team who is there to help with naturally occurring events and to augment local authorities. Our money is not coming from Washington, but our respective State/Territorial capitol(s) Not every state has an actual SDF. My SDF is not armed. We reserve the right to be armed, many of us are individually weapons qualified, however many of us are not as it is not a requirement of service with us.
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I think all of our citizens should have a situational awareness, basic first aid training, and knowledge of firearms and marksmanship. That's not to say that we should be in a mindset for war - but peace-loving citizens armed with knowledge is a strong deterrent.
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Yes the National Guard should continue to exist CPT (Join to see). The National Guard of each of the fifty states and some if not all territories are fulfillment of the militias originally conceived by the founding fathers.
On the other hand informally organized local militias which are not sanctioned by the states tend to be little more than vigilantes in many cases.
The one exception is on the southwest border where the US government failed in its responsibility to keep the border secure in many areas. That is one place and situation where militias approved to be a necessary sub-optimal solution.
On the other hand informally organized local militias which are not sanctioned by the states tend to be little more than vigilantes in many cases.
The one exception is on the southwest border where the US government failed in its responsibility to keep the border secure in many areas. That is one place and situation where militias approved to be a necessary sub-optimal solution.
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LTC Stephen F.
LTC Charles T Dalbec - In those cases I would place the blame for the funding issues on Congress. The Guard has strong advocates in Congress; but, the reserves do also.
Top tier units have generally been resourced above the line while lower tier units were resourced at various stages below the line. I remember new equipment rollouts in the 1990s when new equipment would be fielded along with training, maintenance, personnel and and munitions to the ready force while their equipment would be rolled back to the National Guard - I saw that in Helicopters, tanks, and trucks as well as commo equipment and crew served weapons..
When we were working the OEF plan initially the Guard was generally still low tier [SF units had a different resourcing stream]. As OIF kicked off and OEF in Afghanistan expanded the guard was able to ramp up equipping while deployed only to have to leave significant equipment in theater to allow next units to fall in on it and also to reduce the intertheater lift requirements.
In those days units were training on equipment x at home sation and in the unit training rotation areas. When they deployed they fell in on some different equipment which was required to be trained on.
Top tier units have generally been resourced above the line while lower tier units were resourced at various stages below the line. I remember new equipment rollouts in the 1990s when new equipment would be fielded along with training, maintenance, personnel and and munitions to the ready force while their equipment would be rolled back to the National Guard - I saw that in Helicopters, tanks, and trucks as well as commo equipment and crew served weapons..
When we were working the OEF plan initially the Guard was generally still low tier [SF units had a different resourcing stream]. As OIF kicked off and OEF in Afghanistan expanded the guard was able to ramp up equipping while deployed only to have to leave significant equipment in theater to allow next units to fall in on it and also to reduce the intertheater lift requirements.
In those days units were training on equipment x at home sation and in the unit training rotation areas. When they deployed they fell in on some different equipment which was required to be trained on.
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LTC Charles T Dalbec
Would you please explain why you down voted my post concerning the TSG? I was simply posting the truth. I've known people in the TSG and I was going to join it at one time myself because I had planned on moving to Texas after I retired from the Navy. It is a state-sanctioned militia.
Would you please explain why you down voted my post concerning the TSG? I was simply posting the truth. I've known people in the TSG and I was going to join it at one time myself because I had planned on moving to Texas after I retired from the Navy. It is a state-sanctioned militia.
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LTC Charles T Dalbec
Perhaps you aren't aware of the reason for down voting. One doesn't down vote because they disagree with someone. A down vote is generally reserved for cases such as: people trolling, putting out false information, and slander of other Rally Point members. It is also considered a common courtesy to explain yourself when down voting (as evidenced by the pop up window you should have gotten before you hit down vote).
Perhaps you aren't aware of the reason for down voting. One doesn't down vote because they disagree with someone. A down vote is generally reserved for cases such as: people trolling, putting out false information, and slander of other Rally Point members. It is also considered a common courtesy to explain yourself when down voting (as evidenced by the pop up window you should have gotten before you hit down vote).
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Virginia Defense Force - Wikipedia
The Virginia Defense Force (VDF) is the official state defense force of Virginia, one of the three components of Virginia's state military along with the Virginia National Guard and the Virginia Air National Guard; with a current roster of over 1000 soldiers.[1] The VDF is the descendant of the Virginia State Guard, the Virginia Regiment, and even earlier the Colonial Militia of the Virginia Colony.
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Yes I do. For a few reasons. One, the National Guard is being abused by politicians deploying constantly like AD personnel. You need a military force that is only under control of the Governor. Second most of these units will allow anyone to enlist. Which may be some wannabees. But, I have found that most of them wanted to serve on AD and were denied for some small reason.
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PFC Coon, Regards, In this day and age not just anyone can enlist, there is criteria that needs to be met before enlisting, granted it's not as stringent as Federal service is. Mostly the "wannabees" wash out and the one who chose to make and be the difference are the one who stay to make it better another day.
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They are provided for by the 2nd Amendment. In modern times their purpose is to be a back up to the National Guard especially if many NG troops are federalized/mobilized. They can support them in adimistrative and training roles. They can also assist the Guard in state call-ups
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Thank you Sir, perhaps one of the best explanations I have heard yet of a state-sanctioned militia force.
Thank you Sir, perhaps one of the best explanations I have heard yet of a state-sanctioned militia force.
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Tired of listening to Progressives tell you that the Second Amendment only allows people in militias to keep and bear arms? Or that the Founders would have n...
I voted "Yes" but must qualify my vote by the fact that "state militia" is a perversion the concept expressed in three places in the Constitution. Citizens form militias. Not the federal government. Not states. People. People who keep and bear their own arms. No rather than attempt to explain this myself, allow me to introduce you to Bill Whittle who does a far better job than I could
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FOwy9OWfnAM
Thus, I believe that militias exist whenever armed citizens come together to defend themselves from bandits, terrorists, tyrants, or any other perceived threat. Should they exist? No. They simply exist...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FOwy9OWfnAM
Thus, I believe that militias exist whenever armed citizens come together to defend themselves from bandits, terrorists, tyrants, or any other perceived threat. Should they exist? No. They simply exist...
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