Posted on Jun 10, 2023
Do you believe that "Radicalized Military Vets" are a true threat to the Nation?
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So, this is from the Daily Beast, and it infers that military veterans must be monitored. It brings up "the present and historical ties between American hate groups and armed servicemen and women....".
My own belief is that, because Veterans, Evangelical Christians, conservative Catholics, and mothers disagreeing with school boards tend to not vote the way that the staff of the Daily Beast would like, then they should be rounded up like the Gypsies and Jews in Germany in 1939 (too much of a threat to the New Order).
It seems that this article would classify George Washington as a "Radicalized Military Vet".
So, how do you see it?
Here is the full article:
https://www.thedailybeast.com/against-all-enemies-review-the-chilling-threat-of-radicalized-military-vets
My own belief is that, because Veterans, Evangelical Christians, conservative Catholics, and mothers disagreeing with school boards tend to not vote the way that the staff of the Daily Beast would like, then they should be rounded up like the Gypsies and Jews in Germany in 1939 (too much of a threat to the New Order).
It seems that this article would classify George Washington as a "Radicalized Military Vet".
So, how do you see it?
Here is the full article:
https://www.thedailybeast.com/against-all-enemies-review-the-chilling-threat-of-radicalized-military-vets
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Not a chance. They have their point of view, and the 1st and 2nd Amendment protects that right. Why don't people ask why free speech is the very 1st amendment, and right to bear arms, the 2nd. It it so when you speak out against the government, they cannot squash your voice. Guns are so we can take are government back against Marxist and Socialist any presidential administration that threatens our rights. The right to bear arms has nothing to do with hunting. It is about regular citizens having the same weapons as the government. Note it does not say guns, it says arms. Arms included a whole lot more than guns.
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MSG Lonnie Averkamp
Good points. And many States' Militias REQUIRED that members carry firearms that were compatible and interchangeable with the common military arms of the time....
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Do you believe that "Radicalized Military Vets" are a true threat to the Nation? YES!!! Many Vets I encountered which are my definition of "Radical" are people who have a "axe to grind" with the military--some were discharged for cause, some were injured, and some are just outright NUTS. Mix this group with the military "want-to-bes" and you have a troublesome situation. The problem today is we have the far left and the far right mentally disturb people who want to be in charge of something to "better the government". Today's Washington "kooks" are no different than the "rejects" we got rid of in 2020. The problem is the other side of the "Radicalized Military Vets" are wanting their 15 minutes of fame. I believe that January 6, 2021 provided that there is a problem with the far conservative and the far liberal opinions of the country. The "entitled" Americans [sic], to which there are no such thing, want either government control over everything or to live in the Rocky Mountains secluded by forest and living in a bunker six feet below the earth's surface.
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I disagree with the assertion that military vets are out there just waiting to be radicalized. Yes it may be true that many vets are more right leaning than the general population, but I myself am a liberal.
I see many more failed veterans (those who could not complete their terms of service) as the majority of the radicalized vets. The military would no longer have nothing to do with them and they are looking to validate their lives. They think they got a raw deal and are unhappy with their lot in life. I would add that this would be a very tiny minority.
I would add that there is a very tiny minority of folks on the left who are radicalized.
All in all these radicalized people are a threat to our country and society as a whole, but it is a limited threat
I see many more failed veterans (those who could not complete their terms of service) as the majority of the radicalized vets. The military would no longer have nothing to do with them and they are looking to validate their lives. They think they got a raw deal and are unhappy with their lot in life. I would add that this would be a very tiny minority.
I would add that there is a very tiny minority of folks on the left who are radicalized.
All in all these radicalized people are a threat to our country and society as a whole, but it is a limited threat
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MSG Lonnie Averkamp
SFC Jerald Bottcher, Very well said, and a fair assessment. In about 1976, I had already voted in one presidential election, and was pretty-much a centrist. I liked some of the things that the Kennedys and Proxmires stood for, and some that I did not. I think that it is normal, with you working in the Land Combat Arms, that you probably are around more conservatives, but when you get on the "2-Way-Rifle-Range" (where you shoot at the Pop-Up Targets and the Pop-Up Targets shoot back at you), there tend to me more important things, at the moment, than political philosophies.
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The Daily Beast is not a trustworthy news organization. It is a left-wing rag, spouting left-wing values.
As to "radicalized" vets, I doubt that there are a significant number. Every organization has its misfits and screwballs, so why would we expect service members and veterans to be different?
As to "radicalized" vets, I doubt that there are a significant number. Every organization has its misfits and screwballs, so why would we expect service members and veterans to be different?
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MSG Lonnie Averkamp
Indeed! If you want to see a bunch of "radicalized" screwballs, just turn on the evening news and look at the rabble camped outside our college campuses.
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Calling Vets "Radicalized" is just as stupid as the phrase "Man-splaining."
It's an ad hominem meant to discredit rational reasoning and discipline because they cannot respond likewise.
It's an ad hominem meant to discredit rational reasoning and discipline because they cannot respond likewise.
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The vast majority of military personnel are far to busy with their everyday duties to find the time to be "Radicalized"! I am in total agreement with SFC John D. -- Reading the Daily Beast is a waste of effort if you are looking for respectable journalism. As for the UMC study that almost 1 in 7 of the people from Jan 6th were veterans... According to the 2022 US Census, 13.4% of all males have Veteran Status. Using those stats, veteran participation was a normal distribution - they were not overrepresented!
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So to be fair to both ends of the spectrum, bring back the draft, open it to all genders, religions, whatever. Then no one can complain that they don't have enough soldiers sharing their views.
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SSG Norbert Johnson
I concur and to be fair and equitable, there should be separate categories of each of the 99 gender identities and Transitioned hominids so that an equal amount of each is selected for the DRAFT. That is equitable is it not? And it is fair as well because each category has the same numbers serving.. and that is equal is it not? And, since there is a shortage of recruits during this time of world calamity, the Draft should start yesterday.
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1.) Ron DeSantis
State guard set up by DeSantis is being trained as personal militia, veterans say
Veterans resign from force established as civilian disaster relief, citing concerns over ‘militaristic’ training and ‘abuse’
Richard Luscombe in Miami
@richlusc
Sat 15 Jul 2023 13.54 EDT
A Florida state guard established by the rightwing governor, Ron DeSantis, under the guise of a civilian disaster relief force is instead being trained as an armed, combat-ready militia under his personal command, according to military veteran recruits who have quit the program.
Several veterans resigned after an encampment last month having become concerned at the “militaristic” training and “abuse” one disabled veteran suffered at the hands of instructors, according to an investigation by the Miami Herald and Tampa Bay Times.
Promoted by DeSantis as an “emergency focused, civilian defense force” when it was established in June 2022, the state guard has quickly morphed into something quite different, the report found.
Volunteers have been trained for military combat, including the use of weapons; khaki polo shirts and pants were replaced by camouflage uniforms; and recruits were “barked at” by boot camp instructors at the joint training base who woke them before dawn and imposed lights-out by 10pm.
Additionally, DeSantis’s compliant, Republican-led state legislature has contributed to the change of direction, this year approving a massive expansion in the force’s funding, size and equipment. Its budget increased from $10m to $107.5m, and its maximum size more than tripled from 400 recruits to 1,500.
On the governor’s shopping list were helicopters, boats, police powers and reportedly even cellphone-hacking technology for a force outside of federal jurisdiction, and accountable directly to him.
“The program got hijacked and turned into something that we were trying to stay away from: a militia,” Brian Newhouse, a retired navy veteran with 20 years’ experience, told the reporters.
Newhouse was originally chosen to lead one of the state guard’s three divisions, and said he was removed from the base near Jacksonville on the first day of training after raising his concerns with national guard staff who were acting as instructors.
SOURCE : https://amp.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/jul/15/ron-desantis-florida-state-guard-militia-veterans-quit
1A.) Turmoil in Florida’s New State Guard, as Some Recruits Quit
Some who volunteered for the force commissioned by Gov. Ron DeSantis said the group, billed as a natural disaster relief organization, had become too militarized.
But the deployment this spring has been mired in internal turmoil, with some recruits complaining that what was supposed to be a civilian disaster response organization had become heavily militarized, requiring volunteers to participate in marching drills and military-style training sessions on weapons and hand-to-hand combat.
At least 20 percent of the 150 people initially accepted into the program dropped out or were dismissed, state officials acknowledged, including a retired Marine captain who filed a false imprisonment complaint against Guard sergeants with the local sheriff after he got into a dispute with instructors and was forcibly escorted off the site.
Several of those who left and spoke to The New York Times said they objected to the direction the organization was taking and either quit or were fired when they tried to voice their concerns.
Mr. DeSantis, to whom the new State Guard reports directly, has suggested that concerns over the organization’s future role are unwarranted.
“If you turned on NBC, it was ‘DeSantis is raising an army, and he’s going to raze the planet,’” Mr. DeSantis told reporters last year. “But, you know, the response from people was ‘Oh, hell, he’s raising an army? I want to join! Let’s do it.’”
SOURCE : https://www.nytimes.com/2023/07/15/us/florida-state-guard-desantis.html
State guard set up by DeSantis is being trained as personal militia, veterans say
Veterans resign from force established as civilian disaster relief, citing concerns over ‘militaristic’ training and ‘abuse’
Richard Luscombe in Miami
@richlusc
Sat 15 Jul 2023 13.54 EDT
A Florida state guard established by the rightwing governor, Ron DeSantis, under the guise of a civilian disaster relief force is instead being trained as an armed, combat-ready militia under his personal command, according to military veteran recruits who have quit the program.
Several veterans resigned after an encampment last month having become concerned at the “militaristic” training and “abuse” one disabled veteran suffered at the hands of instructors, according to an investigation by the Miami Herald and Tampa Bay Times.
Promoted by DeSantis as an “emergency focused, civilian defense force” when it was established in June 2022, the state guard has quickly morphed into something quite different, the report found.
Volunteers have been trained for military combat, including the use of weapons; khaki polo shirts and pants were replaced by camouflage uniforms; and recruits were “barked at” by boot camp instructors at the joint training base who woke them before dawn and imposed lights-out by 10pm.
Additionally, DeSantis’s compliant, Republican-led state legislature has contributed to the change of direction, this year approving a massive expansion in the force’s funding, size and equipment. Its budget increased from $10m to $107.5m, and its maximum size more than tripled from 400 recruits to 1,500.
On the governor’s shopping list were helicopters, boats, police powers and reportedly even cellphone-hacking technology for a force outside of federal jurisdiction, and accountable directly to him.
“The program got hijacked and turned into something that we were trying to stay away from: a militia,” Brian Newhouse, a retired navy veteran with 20 years’ experience, told the reporters.
Newhouse was originally chosen to lead one of the state guard’s three divisions, and said he was removed from the base near Jacksonville on the first day of training after raising his concerns with national guard staff who were acting as instructors.
SOURCE : https://amp.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/jul/15/ron-desantis-florida-state-guard-militia-veterans-quit
1A.) Turmoil in Florida’s New State Guard, as Some Recruits Quit
Some who volunteered for the force commissioned by Gov. Ron DeSantis said the group, billed as a natural disaster relief organization, had become too militarized.
But the deployment this spring has been mired in internal turmoil, with some recruits complaining that what was supposed to be a civilian disaster response organization had become heavily militarized, requiring volunteers to participate in marching drills and military-style training sessions on weapons and hand-to-hand combat.
At least 20 percent of the 150 people initially accepted into the program dropped out or were dismissed, state officials acknowledged, including a retired Marine captain who filed a false imprisonment complaint against Guard sergeants with the local sheriff after he got into a dispute with instructors and was forcibly escorted off the site.
Several of those who left and spoke to The New York Times said they objected to the direction the organization was taking and either quit or were fired when they tried to voice their concerns.
Mr. DeSantis, to whom the new State Guard reports directly, has suggested that concerns over the organization’s future role are unwarranted.
“If you turned on NBC, it was ‘DeSantis is raising an army, and he’s going to raze the planet,’” Mr. DeSantis told reporters last year. “But, you know, the response from people was ‘Oh, hell, he’s raising an army? I want to join! Let’s do it.’”
SOURCE : https://www.nytimes.com/2023/07/15/us/florida-state-guard-desantis.html
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1.) Veterans fight back against extremist groups trying to recruit ex-military members
APRIL 27, 20237:19 AM ET
Some military veterans, known as Task Force Butler, are tracking and infiltrating domestic extremist groups, hoping to trigger prosecutions before the groups can cause more violence toward minorities.
Top law enforcement officials say that violent domestic extremist groups are on the rise in the U.S., and they often attempt to recruit military veterans who are prized for their training while in the service. But there are also veterans fighting back, as NPR's Quil Lawrence reports.
SOURCE : https://youtube.com/shorts/1qWo03RDptU?si=pTfJxdv7VzVpa7Eb
2.) Meet your local anti-government extremist groups
Three Percent
SOURCE : https://www.loc.gov/item/lcwaN0034378/
Constitutional Sheriffs and Peace Officers Association
SOURCE : https://www.americanoversight.org/investigation/the-constitutional-sheriffs-movement-and-its-threat-to-democracy
Border militias
SOURCE : https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-48029360.amp
Sovereign citizens
SOURCE : https://www.justsecurity.org/77328/sovereign-citizens-more-than-paper-terrorists/
Hate groups
SOURCE : https://www.voanews.com/amp/report-even-as-militias-disbanded-anti-government-groups-surged-in-us-/7126248.html
SOURCE : https://www.hcn.org/articles/politics-anti-government-groups-in-the-west-right-now/
3.) CTEC Publications
Veterans and Extremism: From Militias to January 6th and Real Patriots
These veterans nearly always joined what are called constitutional militia groups, ones that are often quite similar to a “grown up Boy Scouts” image that all militias like to portray themselves as in public. Constitutionalist militias are wary of the government, yet believe they have an onus to take a defensive, not offensive, position, relative to government actors.
“Though rare, these extreme views have a dangerous history. Oklahoma City bomber Timothy McVeigh, who remains the most notorious veteran-turned-terrorist, espoused similar beliefs about having been experimented on while deployed and came to believe that his involvement in the Gulf War was an honorless, shameful experience perpetrated by a corrupt government.”
SOURCE : https://www.middlebury.edu/institute/academics/centers-initiatives/ctec/ctec-publications/veterans-and-extremism-militias-january-6th
* DHS Report Warns Of Right Wing Extremists
(U//FOUO) Rightwing Extremism: Current Economic and Political
Climate Fueling Resurgence in Radicalization and Recruitment
SOURCE : https://irp.fas.org/eprint/rightwing.pdf
4.) Examining Extremism: The Militia Movement
SOURCE : https://www.csis.org/blogs/examining-extremism/examining-extremism-militia-movement
1.) Veterans fight back against extremist groups trying to recruit ex-military members
APRIL 27, 20237:19 AM ET
Some military veterans, known as Task Force Butler, are tracking and infiltrating domestic extremist groups, hoping to trigger prosecutions before the groups can cause more violence toward minorities.
Top law enforcement officials say that violent domestic extremist groups are on the rise in the U.S., and they often attempt to recruit military veterans who are prized for their training while in the service. But there are also veterans fighting back, as NPR's Quil Lawrence reports.
SOURCE : https://youtube.com/shorts/1qWo03RDptU?si=pTfJxdv7VzVpa7Eb
2.) Meet your local anti-government extremist groups
Three Percent
SOURCE : https://www.loc.gov/item/lcwaN0034378/
Constitutional Sheriffs and Peace Officers Association
SOURCE : https://www.americanoversight.org/investigation/the-constitutional-sheriffs-movement-and-its-threat-to-democracy
Border militias
SOURCE : https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-48029360.amp
Sovereign citizens
SOURCE : https://www.justsecurity.org/77328/sovereign-citizens-more-than-paper-terrorists/
Hate groups
SOURCE : https://www.voanews.com/amp/report-even-as-militias-disbanded-anti-government-groups-surged-in-us-/7126248.html
SOURCE : https://www.hcn.org/articles/politics-anti-government-groups-in-the-west-right-now/
3.) CTEC Publications
Veterans and Extremism: From Militias to January 6th and Real Patriots
These veterans nearly always joined what are called constitutional militia groups, ones that are often quite similar to a “grown up Boy Scouts” image that all militias like to portray themselves as in public. Constitutionalist militias are wary of the government, yet believe they have an onus to take a defensive, not offensive, position, relative to government actors.
“Though rare, these extreme views have a dangerous history. Oklahoma City bomber Timothy McVeigh, who remains the most notorious veteran-turned-terrorist, espoused similar beliefs about having been experimented on while deployed and came to believe that his involvement in the Gulf War was an honorless, shameful experience perpetrated by a corrupt government.”
SOURCE : https://www.middlebury.edu/institute/academics/centers-initiatives/ctec/ctec-publications/veterans-and-extremism-militias-january-6th
* DHS Report Warns Of Right Wing Extremists
(U//FOUO) Rightwing Extremism: Current Economic and Political
Climate Fueling Resurgence in Radicalization and Recruitment
SOURCE : https://irp.fas.org/eprint/rightwing.pdf
4.) Examining Extremism: The Militia Movement
SOURCE : https://www.csis.org/blogs/examining-extremism/examining-extremism-militia-movement
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News and various groups will label any and everything they hate, on both sides. If you stand up for what you believe you are radical. The left is all about the cause and the popular talking point. If they believe it will bring in votes they will jump in with both feet. The far right is the same way. There are some of our brothers and sisters who will and have joined the radical sides they believe in. Military due to our training are looked at as a threat and easy mark for those who wish to use that against all of us. Funny how veterans are the first to be marked and for the most part are the ones who for the most part stay to ourselves until poked. Where as the real radicals are the paid rioters and antagonists who are out looking to stir up trouble, many of which are in the government.
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