Posted on May 4, 2016
Do you believe that these West Point first classman are violating the UCMJ by making a political statement while in uniform?
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DOD directive 1344.10 states:
-A member of the Armed Forces on active duty may:
4.1.1.3. Join a partisan or nonpartisan political club and attend its meetings when NOT in uniform, subject to the restrictions of subparagraph 4.1.2.4. (See DoD Instruction 1334.1 (Reference (c).)
From the article "Racism Within West Point"
http://www.inthearenafitness.com/index.php/racism-within-west-point
-A member of the Armed Forces on active duty may:
4.1.1.3. Join a partisan or nonpartisan political club and attend its meetings when NOT in uniform, subject to the restrictions of subparagraph 4.1.2.4. (See DoD Instruction 1334.1 (Reference (c).)
From the article "Racism Within West Point"
http://www.inthearenafitness.com/index.php/racism-within-west-point
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Allow me to be frank, the candy assing around the facts here is disgusting. They are in clear violation of UCMJ. If those stairs were covered with blonde haired, blue eyed, white women throwing up their right arm in a heil salute this would be on every news channel and every newspaper in the world. They should all be suspended from the academy and disqualified from service in the military. These "future leaders" have publicly demonstrated racial bias while in uniform.
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SPC Rory J. Mattheisen
CPT (Anonymous) - You hide behind anonymity and have the nerve to point fingers... That SGT needs a haircut, and to remove those stupid ass beads while he is in uniform and his CO should have handled that the day before in the briefing, also his sax strap should not have branding either. My take, he is a guard/reserve troop and his COC is just as 8^ as he is. Nowhere in that picture is any racial bias on display, an 8^ NCO yes. An officer hiding in an office utilizing bad examples to attempt to prove an invalid point, yes. So Captain, in closing if you intend to come at me do not come with some weak ass bullshit and call me a candy ass.
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SPC Rory J. Mattheisen
1) I never became an NCO because before I made SPC I knew I was on my way out. I watched a SFC destroy a troops room and then his life and enjoy it. There is no integrity in the Corps, and the loyalty is no longer between the troops it is to the regulations and code. The military used to take care of its own but it is a CYA pajama party now. The sad thing is... I loved the Army, I wanted to put in 25 if I could.
2) That is understandable and I apologize for getting short.
3) Having pride in something like where you were born to me is the shining example of the damage ignorance and arrogance can do. To me, shows just how low the bar has been set in this country. There is no room for pride in the heart of the professional soldier, there should be no thought of self in the mind of the professional soldier, and above all there can be no superiority other than rank in the eyes of the professional soldier.
2) That is understandable and I apologize for getting short.
3) Having pride in something like where you were born to me is the shining example of the damage ignorance and arrogance can do. To me, shows just how low the bar has been set in this country. There is no room for pride in the heart of the professional soldier, there should be no thought of self in the mind of the professional soldier, and above all there can be no superiority other than rank in the eyes of the professional soldier.
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So I may be out of line saying this ...but This should be corrected and adjusted. After seeing all the images of the people holding the same stance and stepping upon our flag in the past couple of years makes the average person would question ones agenda doing the same stance while in uniform and being under oath for said country that flies this flag. Sorry if this may sound questionable but my brain does not function well today as it did 20+ years ago. (Not a dead head just mentally drained from chronic pain).
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They are in direct violation of UCMJ, this is conduct unbecoming to say the very least. These "future leaders" have placed their inability to see through color on full display for the entire world to see and they should be discharged and disqualified from service the same as a white Cadet would be for participating in a Neo-Nazi rally. These kids have disrespected every woman who has fought for their right to wear the uniform. Could you imagine the outrage if those women were blonde haired, blue eyed white girls with their arms and fingers extended at a 45-degree angle? The sex/race card is out of control.
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The reality is this photo was a bad idea, and may come back to haunt these cadets if they choose to make the military a career. While I don't think they acted in good judgment it will be hard to bring for disciplinary action under the UCMJ.
Another point of note is I find it funny the amount of people "offended" by this photo. I wonder what reactions these same people had to the events that were the actual catalyst to the BLM group. I am more offended by unarmed citizens being murdered by law enforcement, than a photo of some 22 year olds raising their fists. Maybe my priorities are different.
Another point of note is I find it funny the amount of people "offended" by this photo. I wonder what reactions these same people had to the events that were the actual catalyst to the BLM group. I am more offended by unarmed citizens being murdered by law enforcement, than a photo of some 22 year olds raising their fists. Maybe my priorities are different.
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CPT Ahmed Faried
"I wonder what reactions these same people had to the events that were the actual catalyst to the BLM group. I am more offended by unarmed citizens being murdered by law enforcement, than a photo of some 22 year olds raising their fists. "
Fire for effect.
Fire for effect.
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Laws, rules, and regulations are in place for a reason and we all know it. Violations need to be corrected. The problem today is the USA is so politically correct that our Leaders everywhere are too scared to enforce them for certain people.
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While it will be explained away and forgotten fairly soon, Sir it is my belief it was a very stupid thing to do at that Institution given the time and effort put forth to get to their current level. Regardless of the PC movement it shows a lack of critical thinking and understanding 2nd and 3rd order effects. Considering the path our military is taking these days this will not be the exception but the norm very soon.
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As I look over these comments- very much mostly white men- I am startled that everyone is so intensely-focused on the fists and the "sourpuss" looks on their faces. Aren't MOST formal military photographs taken in "straight face"? Mine was not (even though I intended to look tough) because the photographer said something funny about PDA right before she snapped the picture. I got a talking to (at high volume so everyone could enjoy it) from the TI about maintaining my military bearing!!
In any regard- I must admit that the photo worried me a little, too. Are those young cadets propping SWORDS upon their necks? Gracious! What kind of safety plan is THAT? I wish they would put those down before they get a shave they'll never forget!!! I'll bet their mothers had a FIT when they saw that.
Yep- no holding swords on your neck. That should be incorporated into the UCMJ if it is not there already. This way all you white men would have something to whine about, and those naughty cadets could loose their handsome swords, and walk those hours you mentioned below!
In any regard- I must admit that the photo worried me a little, too. Are those young cadets propping SWORDS upon their necks? Gracious! What kind of safety plan is THAT? I wish they would put those down before they get a shave they'll never forget!!! I'll bet their mothers had a FIT when they saw that.
Yep- no holding swords on your neck. That should be incorporated into the UCMJ if it is not there already. This way all you white men would have something to whine about, and those naughty cadets could loose their handsome swords, and walk those hours you mentioned below!
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How is this photograph any different than a sorority or other organization photo?
A hand held high in victory would seem appropriate for those who slogged through four years of West Point, don't you think?
How is this photograph any different than a sorority or other organization photo?
A hand held high in victory would seem appropriate for those who slogged through four years of West Point, don't you think?
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i guess you never grew up in the 60's, 4 olympians had thier gold medals removed for the same gesture, do your homework, before you blindley post
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A1C Melissa Jackson
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I know about the Olympians- it is WRONG that they had their medals removed. It is WRONG that people are grasping their pearls and breathlessly crying out that these women should be sanctioned.
I do not EVER "blindley" (sic) post. My statement stands.
I know about the Olympians- it is WRONG that they had their medals removed. It is WRONG that people are grasping their pearls and breathlessly crying out that these women should be sanctioned.
I do not EVER "blindley" (sic) post. My statement stands.
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