Posted on Jun 10, 2017
Do you find the term "butter bar" offensive or demeaning?
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As a newly minted O-1 I have no problem with the term, but some of my fellow ENS/LTs have been scolded for using it. I never considered the term a pejorative when I was enlisted and I still don't now that I'm on the officer side. I always thought it was sort of a rite of passage that goes along with being a new Officer. Am I missing something? Do you consider the term disrespectful or demeaning?
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In my old units new leaders knew they had our respect when we started calling them L.T., same was true for 1stSGT becoming “Top” or Plt Sgt becoming “platoon daddy”
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Butter bar, mosquito wing, buck sgt, ground pounder,fly boy. Slang yes but if you do your job and recognize that others are doing the same to keep each other alive, Does it matter? Respect is earned no matter what your rank is. Keeping everyone safe, doing your job is all that you can do, the rest is gravy. Been there done that, got all my people home and did our job. That's all that counted. To those who have or are serving THAK YOU
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Respect is something you earn over time. Its not granted. In my time in, I had a couple of good LT's, and I have a few more than calling them "butter bar" would have been an undeserved compliment. If your called that to your face, its wrong. But your going to be called it until you prove your worth, just like anyone else starting out.
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Not offensive at all. On my first assignment in IL, I was as green and wet behind the ears a second lieutenant as it could be. Our First Sergeant was (and is) one of the people whom I have admired most in my life. I didn't learn any dose of good leadership from my commander (as a matter of fact, he was incredibly unethical), but from that First Sergeant, whom I still recall as one of the most ethical, honest, and leadership-full people I can remember. He referred to me as "his butter bar" and it was a term of endearment. We both had to surmount problems emanating from the commander's ethical flaws.
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It’s amaz how when the officers come from school with the gold bars attached to their collars that they think their crap doesn’t stink. Men and women who decided to go officer but have no idea what it’s like unlisted. I received an article 15 from a new officer when he asked my opinion of him, I said I have no opinion about you sir but do believe that commo group doesn’t need a butter bar in the ranks
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I'll explain it the same way I explained it to my parents when they asked me about it. We call each other names because we think of each other as part of a big dysfunctional family, and a 1LT is the 18yr that believes he knows everything because daddy/mommy left him/her in charge for the first time. S/he forgets that the siblings will only respect him/her when it is earned, not demanded. That is why you have the SSG or SFC there to break up fights and keep a cool head
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Meh, not really a problem.... I think it comes down to tone. My chief calls one Ens 'butteriest bars in the land', a second Ens 'butters', myself 'i can't believe it's not butter' and the other LTJG (who is a aalty LDO) 'crisco'. Three of us know he does it in jest, the other ens it is said in a joking manner but it is geared toward an slight to him.
I think it's tame teasing more often than not, for me (at least the way our chief does it) keeps it harmless but I could see how it could get degrading of done the wrong way in the wrong situation
I think it's tame teasing more often than not, for me (at least the way our chief does it) keeps it harmless but I could see how it could get degrading of done the wrong way in the wrong situation
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"Butter Bar" refers to the appearance of the gold rank insignia. It is in no way a derogatory statement of the individual.
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No in fact a lot of butter bars were proud of the fact they got that promotion.
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I am currently a cadet right now and I am suppose to commission in December. I basically tell people I am about to be a butter bar. It depends on how you use the term in a sentence. I don't find this term offensive. I really don't think it matters. If I am in a professional setting, I would say ma'am or sir.
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