Posted on Jul 1, 2015
Do you have any advice on going from E4 to E5?
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I'm currently a SPC trying to get my NCO's to take me seriously and put me in a team leader spot so that I can go to the P board (I guess it's some kind of requirement for this company). I'm motivated almost every day, I'm always working, and the joes listen to me and usually don't give me any lip when I inform them of a detail we need to do. Usually half way through the job, an NCO will walk up and take over and I end up getting no credit for any of the work I put into whatever we had going on. I really don't know where I stand in this company and am honestly getting tired of being overlooked. Any advice would be appreciated because I'm starting to lose faith and motivation.
Posted 10 y ago
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You've got a lot going for you; Specialist. Motivation and faith will take you far- whether it be in the military; or in civilian life.
And Specialist, I doubt that you actually are being overlooked. Commissioned Officers have a lot more education than NCO's; and therefore, a lot broader view of things that are going on.
And Specialist, I doubt that you actually are being overlooked. Commissioned Officers have a lot more education than NCO's; and therefore, a lot broader view of things that are going on.
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I know how you I was filling a E-6 slot at ft Polk I was E4 -P because shy scores were so high for 62B I couldn't make Sgt so they made me a corporal but it worked out I put most my squad through the board I finally made Sgt . It felt good that they trusted me enough to lead and got a lot of complements from col. And post Genrals for the way I ran the Engineer section , better than most E6's just hang in there you will get the recognition you deserve
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Don't give hope away. As a Senior NCO all I can tell you is that you need to go for it. Do not wait until you get notice, but instead in one of your counseling sessions be straight forward. Counseling is a two way conversation and let them know feel ready to move up and take higher responsibilities. If you have the time in grade and time in service, then let them know you would like to go to the promotion board. If they belief you are not ready yet, then you should be counsel in writing every month on the reason why you will not be attending the next promotion board.
Good Luck
MSG A (Ret)
Good Luck
MSG A (Ret)
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Brother, I was an E4 for a very long time before making E5. I had a 1st class PFT, expert rifle, multiple deployments, a combat meritorious promotion to E3, special schools, correspondence courses, and had NCO billets. The reason I didn't pick up for so long was due to being CLOSED OUT for promotion for my MOS. It didn't change the way I did business, I just kept doing what had to be done until it was my time. When I finally picked up, I had WAY above the score required to pick up the rank.
Basically- if all of your stuff is locked down and there is no room for "paper improvement" just have patience.
Basically- if all of your stuff is locked down and there is no room for "paper improvement" just have patience.
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Spc. Tyler O'Quinn, first off I am not against what you are after at all, okay? I think it's great you want to be an NCO and lead soldiers. But for the love of God, what is this statement, "I guess", you should know to go to this board. You have to know your units history as well as your job in the next level the best way to prepare for your E5 is to be ready for E6.
Have you been to any company boards for (soldier of the month, of the quarter) or any of that?
Being a leader has so much more to it than telling others what to do. Are you at least a sharp shooter, max your APFT, how do you set as far as military education, civilian ed. Are you taking night classes?
You have got to be harder on yourself to be your best. Being honest with yourself, it's one of the hardest things I had to do as a leader.
How long have you been in the military?
Have you been to any company boards for (soldier of the month, of the quarter) or any of that?
Being a leader has so much more to it than telling others what to do. Are you at least a sharp shooter, max your APFT, how do you set as far as military education, civilian ed. Are you taking night classes?
You have got to be harder on yourself to be your best. Being honest with yourself, it's one of the hardest things I had to do as a leader.
How long have you been in the military?
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Credit:
You have every right to tactfully request the opportunity to finish what you started with any NCO, Officer or Soldier. You were given a task and place in control of that task. It is up to you to see it through and any NCO should be happy to back off if they're any good NCO. Don't be afraid to speak your peace to anyone regardless of rank. As long as you have grounds to do so and are respectful and tactful.
Promotion:
As far as the position for E-5. Let your chain know that you are prepared to make the next step and be an NCO. Ask them what you need to prepare for it. What are they looking for? Only you can control your career. Don't wait on others to notice. Put it in their faces. Example, "Hey Sergeant, I got that SSD-1 and the NCO leadership courses done what else can I do next to prepare myself to be a good NCO." Each time you complete something, ask again, that is how you get noticed. People remember when you constantly bring up what you've done to better yourself for the job.
Also find out if there is actually a slot available for E5.
This is a good start!
You have every right to tactfully request the opportunity to finish what you started with any NCO, Officer or Soldier. You were given a task and place in control of that task. It is up to you to see it through and any NCO should be happy to back off if they're any good NCO. Don't be afraid to speak your peace to anyone regardless of rank. As long as you have grounds to do so and are respectful and tactful.
Promotion:
As far as the position for E-5. Let your chain know that you are prepared to make the next step and be an NCO. Ask them what you need to prepare for it. What are they looking for? Only you can control your career. Don't wait on others to notice. Put it in their faces. Example, "Hey Sergeant, I got that SSD-1 and the NCO leadership courses done what else can I do next to prepare myself to be a good NCO." Each time you complete something, ask again, that is how you get noticed. People remember when you constantly bring up what you've done to better yourself for the job.
Also find out if there is actually a slot available for E5.
This is a good start!
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It sounds like you have your peer group's respect. Which is good. The NCOs are doing their jobs. You sound like you need a pat on the back/recognition. Monthly counselings are your best bet. On top of your day-to-day A-game, you should be studying ADP/ADRPs, unit history, and your CoC.
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JOES??? You mean Soldiers? and Sergeant not E-5. It takes more than just work to be a good NCO, maturity.
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Be a sponge and keep your mouth shut. Educate yourself on your duties and obligations. Understand this, you are not expected to be the Subject Matter Expert tomorrow, but eventually, you will have to be.
Lean on your leadership and other NCO's.
Lean on your leadership and other NCO's.
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