Posted on Nov 19, 2014
Do you have to stand at Parade Rest for a Senior NCO when not in uniform?
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Is there a AR that covers when a soldier is not in uniform if they must go to parade rest or attention?
Posted 11 y ago
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Why would you disrespect your NCO anyways? Do you even know how much they go through to make sure that you only go through a small percentage of the suck that you have to go through? SSG Schmidt hit the nail on the head with the his reference to the soldier guide, and the rest of the people too by pointing out that you're a soldier 24/7. Just do it.
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I'm reading the responses and I see a lot of do it "because". That is not what SGT (Join to see) asked. He merely asked if there was a regulation. He never once said he didn't want to or thought he shouldn't. Why not provide him guidance to find the correct answer. SGT (Join to see) made a magnificent post about AR 600-25 stating Officers are not required to be saluted when Senior or Subordinate is in civilian attire. Why the would an NCO expect to be given all the courtesies when not in uniform?
I also see lots of they are senior to you comments. So I will pose this question as well, how many NCOs in this discussion stand at the position of a mention when speaking to an Officer and I will tell you in my experience the answer is very few. Look in the same manual many of you are quoting for customs and courtesies and reread what the position if attention is. Is this how you stand when addressing an officer? If the answer is no, and for the majority of the enlisted members I have ran into in 22 years I would say the answer is no, why do you demand to be given respect but don't give it yourself. A junior NCO will stand at parade rest for a CSM but will not stand at attention for their new platoon leader. The responses here come off as a bit hypocritical. If your answer to my question is yes, I applaud you. If it is no think about how you behave in your day to day career before throwing out the easy answer. Provide guidance to a young NCO asking a valid question and don't just give them the because I said so or if you are professional you will. Just my humble opinion as a Warrant Officer and former NCO who has seen and dealt with Soldiers, NCOs, and Officers of all ranks.
I also see lots of they are senior to you comments. So I will pose this question as well, how many NCOs in this discussion stand at the position of a mention when speaking to an Officer and I will tell you in my experience the answer is very few. Look in the same manual many of you are quoting for customs and courtesies and reread what the position if attention is. Is this how you stand when addressing an officer? If the answer is no, and for the majority of the enlisted members I have ran into in 22 years I would say the answer is no, why do you demand to be given respect but don't give it yourself. A junior NCO will stand at parade rest for a CSM but will not stand at attention for their new platoon leader. The responses here come off as a bit hypocritical. If your answer to my question is yes, I applaud you. If it is no think about how you behave in your day to day career before throwing out the easy answer. Provide guidance to a young NCO asking a valid question and don't just give them the because I said so or if you are professional you will. Just my humble opinion as a Warrant Officer and former NCO who has seen and dealt with Soldiers, NCOs, and Officers of all ranks.
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There's an FM that gives guidance, but as a soldier, you are always a soldier. In uniform, out if uniform, 24/7...a soldier. Chances are, he or she will tell you to relax, but stand at parade rest until they do. It shows respect and military bearing.
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Eh, situation dependent. Off post, with family, or fully engaged...acknowledge and be on your way.
Yes, yes. I get the FM and I understand we're Soldiers 24/7. We are also human beings with common sense. Be courteous and respectful, yes. But, be smart.
If you're at the mall or movie theater, the last thing I want to do is stay attention to myself. Ultimately, it's your call. Each unit or area has their own TTP. Just roll with it.
Yes, yes. I get the FM and I understand we're Soldiers 24/7. We are also human beings with common sense. Be courteous and respectful, yes. But, be smart.
If you're at the mall or movie theater, the last thing I want to do is stay attention to myself. Ultimately, it's your call. Each unit or area has their own TTP. Just roll with it.
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New generation type question here. Always looking to see who they don't have to show respect for.
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SFC (Join to see)
Hold up, the new generation arrives this way. What do you mean who taught you this? In my day, if I disrespected or was out of line, I was corrected immediately whether I agreed or not. Today, the younger generation comes in thinking they can change the world because it should ultimately benefit him/her the individual and not the group collectively.
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SFC (Join to see)
Btw, "old generation type response" makes absolutely no sense to me. I serve currently and have amassed a great wealth knowledge and experience from more than one branch of the military. When you become an NCO, you will understand how crucial and effective being honest and upfront is when speaking to leadership. Subordinates today seem to take it to heart and are negatively impacted effecting their performance if they hear something they don't like.
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SFC (Join to see)
SGT (Join to see) - Negative, if you are the type that needs coddling to get you to understand, then this is the type of behavior that weakens us. You see something wrong, then change it when you are the leader. That's how we have progressed. Pick what works and use it. Leave out what doesn't. Maybe somewhere along the line you'll realize whether good or bad why that leader reacted in that way. Today you think a certain way, tomorrow you think another. Your perspective may change.
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I gate to bring up the elephant in the room but no one cares about D&C. Even sticklers for D&C don't really care, we all do it because everyone else does.
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1. If you know they are senior, and they know you are junior, then I strongly suggest you assume the position- could save you a lot of grief down the road.
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Customs and courtesies is shown to the uniform not the person. Military members come and go, but the Army keeps rolling along. In other words, salutes, position of attention and such is because of the uniform. Even though we are Soldiers 24/7 we do have off time. So no, there will be no DNC while in civilians unless performing duties or functions in a military capacity.
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I will have to say that since your a soldier 24/7 you should always act accordingly.I ran into soldiers who thought that just because they were in civvies and it was after COB they no longer needed to conduct themselves a s soldiers, always wound up with me having to go in front of the CO or Top with them and listen to BS stories of drunkenness and other stupid excuses as to why they were picked up by the MP's, or a complaint was voiced by a fellow officer or NCO .
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