Posted on Feb 2, 2017
Do you think illegal immigrants should be able to use welfare/public assistance?
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Considering all the illegal immigrants in this country, do you think they should be able to use welfare or public assistance considering they aren't citizens and that many working Americans are denied welfare or public assistance.
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Ellle Wiesel, 1928-2016 winner of the Nobel Peace Prize, Holocaust survivor, author, Legal Immigrant and US Citizen said, "You who are so-called illegal aliens must know that no human being is illegal." He asked, "How can a human being be illegal?"
Saying a person cannot be illegal may be true but, a person who has entered or attempted to enter a country illegally is by definition illegal. Twisting words and terms to benefit our belief is sophism; defined as, "a specious argument for displaying ingenuity in reasoning or for deceiving someone; any false argument; fallacy. The use of the word Illegal Immigration must never be confused or included in the definition of Legal Immigration.
Those who are adamantly supportive of considering all immigrants under the same banner are duplicitous, refusing to admit an individual described as an illegal, is foremost a criminal. Those who apply for entry into the US follow established procedures and background investigations before they are considered for school, temporary work or permanent resident visa's or green cards to name a few, are Immigrants. Those who enter any other way, those who do not have passports, and those who do not have permission to enter the US are Illegal.
Those who come here for seasonal of full-time work without Green Cards are Illegal. Those with Green Cards are Immigrants until they overstay their visa or do not return to their country of origin whereby, they become Illegal the day after their authorization expires.
According to Federation For Illegal Immigration Reform, "Apologists for illegal immigration try to paint it as a victimless crime, but the fact is that illegal immigration causes substantial harm to American citizens and legal immigrants, particularly those in the most vulnerable sectors of our population - the poor, minorities, and children." Most sources agree the Illegal Immigration cost to the American Taxpayer at the State and Federal level exceeds $118 billion per annum. Imagine how much this money could benefit American Citizens in our poor inner cities.
Obviously, federal action is required to correct our longstanding problem of Illegals entering through our ports and borders. Those who have been here for many years, have stable jobs, are not felons, or involved in gangs, those who desire to become citizens, and for other normally law-abiding illegals, we must find a way to reform our system providing a pathway to citizenship and place effective deterrents in place to dissuade illegal entry.
We must return to when immigrants came to America to be part of the American Dream. When they came here, found jobs, worked hard, and did not come here to take advantage of American generosity. Illegal is just that, Illegal. Political Agendas designed to confuse and mislead in addition to Groups and Organizations that promote Civil Disobedience, these duplicitous, sophism activists who prey on the least educated and poorest people to keep their delusional events and activities alive must be accountable to pay for the damages caused during their protest, riots, and looting; and pay the cost of Illegal Immigration. If they did these things, they would finally admit the definition of the word Immigration, does not include the word Illegal.
I agree, a person cannot be physically illegal, but by their actions, they can be socially classified as illegal because of their decision to break the immigration laws of the United States.
Saying a person cannot be illegal may be true but, a person who has entered or attempted to enter a country illegally is by definition illegal. Twisting words and terms to benefit our belief is sophism; defined as, "a specious argument for displaying ingenuity in reasoning or for deceiving someone; any false argument; fallacy. The use of the word Illegal Immigration must never be confused or included in the definition of Legal Immigration.
Those who are adamantly supportive of considering all immigrants under the same banner are duplicitous, refusing to admit an individual described as an illegal, is foremost a criminal. Those who apply for entry into the US follow established procedures and background investigations before they are considered for school, temporary work or permanent resident visa's or green cards to name a few, are Immigrants. Those who enter any other way, those who do not have passports, and those who do not have permission to enter the US are Illegal.
Those who come here for seasonal of full-time work without Green Cards are Illegal. Those with Green Cards are Immigrants until they overstay their visa or do not return to their country of origin whereby, they become Illegal the day after their authorization expires.
According to Federation For Illegal Immigration Reform, "Apologists for illegal immigration try to paint it as a victimless crime, but the fact is that illegal immigration causes substantial harm to American citizens and legal immigrants, particularly those in the most vulnerable sectors of our population - the poor, minorities, and children." Most sources agree the Illegal Immigration cost to the American Taxpayer at the State and Federal level exceeds $118 billion per annum. Imagine how much this money could benefit American Citizens in our poor inner cities.
Obviously, federal action is required to correct our longstanding problem of Illegals entering through our ports and borders. Those who have been here for many years, have stable jobs, are not felons, or involved in gangs, those who desire to become citizens, and for other normally law-abiding illegals, we must find a way to reform our system providing a pathway to citizenship and place effective deterrents in place to dissuade illegal entry.
We must return to when immigrants came to America to be part of the American Dream. When they came here, found jobs, worked hard, and did not come here to take advantage of American generosity. Illegal is just that, Illegal. Political Agendas designed to confuse and mislead in addition to Groups and Organizations that promote Civil Disobedience, these duplicitous, sophism activists who prey on the least educated and poorest people to keep their delusional events and activities alive must be accountable to pay for the damages caused during their protest, riots, and looting; and pay the cost of Illegal Immigration. If they did these things, they would finally admit the definition of the word Immigration, does not include the word Illegal.
I agree, a person cannot be physically illegal, but by their actions, they can be socially classified as illegal because of their decision to break the immigration laws of the United States.
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SPC (Join to see)
Anyone and any kids that come into this country illegally ARE ILLEGALS and that includes the unborn that are born here. Heck even the Cubans that have beat someone to the shore are illegals in my book and have no rights here. We have KNOW idea of their health, *something that keeps those that are trying to get into America out if they are not healthy when they come here and has kept people from being allowed in this country and rightly so*.
Illegals are WRONG in EVERY LAST THING THEY DO AND HAVE DONE. They have NO MORALS AT ALL and if they have kids I would even remove their kids and have them go to an orphanage so they have to go look for their own kids and see if their own country will give them back to them.
Illegals have no rights for anything but a very slow boat ride to the furtherest place from the USA and the most remote and be dropped off there with any snowflakes that think they have any rights at all in this country
Illegals are WRONG in EVERY LAST THING THEY DO AND HAVE DONE. They have NO MORALS AT ALL and if they have kids I would even remove their kids and have them go to an orphanage so they have to go look for their own kids and see if their own country will give them back to them.
Illegals have no rights for anything but a very slow boat ride to the furtherest place from the USA and the most remote and be dropped off there with any snowflakes that think they have any rights at all in this country
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No, these programs should only be for Americans. You are right, we have to many of our own people, family with young children, older people and our veterans, police and fire personal. Those that have paid their taxes, who now need the benifites of the taxes they have paid. As a home owner, if you couldn't pay your home taxes in 2 years, you won't own that home. They will take it for taxes. My heart goes out to others out side our boarders, but it is time to look after our own first.
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MAJ (Join to see)
It was always time to look after our own. That goes doubly for the politicized military who looks after enemy combatants and traitors (bergdahl and manning) better than it cares for its own.
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1SG Robert Rush
I can't believe that we paid for a sex change for Manning and he will stay in the military for his medical care. And some of our Veterans are having trouble getting their medical care! What is wrong with our Congress?
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MAJ (Join to see)
1SG Robert Rush - They're professional and career politicians. Most of them are attorneys.
People asked me what Trump meant when he talked about draining a swamp. I explained that the govt is full of reptilian employees who have jobs where they do nothing, work half the year, are always late, don't do whatever work they're supposed to do, and are even unionized. Pretty much getting a govt job means you'll never be fired while collecting a pension for doing nothing.
I would put most of the AGR people I've met in this category as well.
People asked me what Trump meant when he talked about draining a swamp. I explained that the govt is full of reptilian employees who have jobs where they do nothing, work half the year, are always late, don't do whatever work they're supposed to do, and are even unionized. Pretty much getting a govt job means you'll never be fired while collecting a pension for doing nothing.
I would put most of the AGR people I've met in this category as well.
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It would be a good time to begin deportation proceedings when an illegal applies for assistance.One problem is there are organizations that help illegals to gain assistance when they are turned away. When I see veterans homeless and hurting I have no compassion for criminals who knowingly entered America illegally.
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No. We have become a destination point for the peoples of many nations not because of our freedoms and the opportunities we offer, but for our unbridled largesse. Unfortunately it is the politicians who are giving away the money earned by our nations citizens. And many of these politicians keep getting re-elected because of 'their' largesse at our expense.
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No, hence the title "illegal" in the persons description.
The issue sometimes revolves around..its not "them" being given welfare or public assistance. It is an associated person, many times a minor "legally" a US citizen who receives the assistance. Of course that "legal" person would not be in the country getting welfare or public assistance but for the illegal actions the parent or guardian.
As to the actual illegal alien getting direct public assistance or resources, that of course happens as well, in sanctuary cities where local government refuse to obey the law, or emergency humanitarian assistance is given the illegal alien because as Americans we will not deny a illegal alien basic health care (emergence medicine) food or shelter.
We will deny all three to homeless persons of US citizenship..,,driving them from under bridges, out of abandoned buildings, saying do what you want but don't do it here in my city... But an illegal alien is literally a protected class given preferential treatment over US citizens.
The issue sometimes revolves around..its not "them" being given welfare or public assistance. It is an associated person, many times a minor "legally" a US citizen who receives the assistance. Of course that "legal" person would not be in the country getting welfare or public assistance but for the illegal actions the parent or guardian.
As to the actual illegal alien getting direct public assistance or resources, that of course happens as well, in sanctuary cities where local government refuse to obey the law, or emergency humanitarian assistance is given the illegal alien because as Americans we will not deny a illegal alien basic health care (emergence medicine) food or shelter.
We will deny all three to homeless persons of US citizenship..,,driving them from under bridges, out of abandoned buildings, saying do what you want but don't do it here in my city... But an illegal alien is literally a protected class given preferential treatment over US citizens.
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MAJ (Join to see)
Go look at all the legal aid establishments. They have separate funding and people set aside for the illegal immigrant population.
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We have American citizens , many who are veterans who are struggling for government assistance. Persons who came to America without going through the proper channels knew when they entered the US they were breaking the law and came at their own risk. They should not be able to reap the benefits that so many citizens struggle for.
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To answer your question, no, but then again, illegal aliens aren't entitled to public assistance, even some legal residents aren't entitled to all benefits.
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That's not exactly true. Benefits for the children they have once they get here are more than enough to cover them as well. When I lived in OKC, half the block was undocumented immigrants who had 100% of their rent covered by Section 8 and received $500 or so in food stamps for their (usually) 3 kids on top of the free breakfast and lunch. We're the only Western country to give citizenship to those born to non-citizens. I think fixing that would go a long way toward solving the problem from both sides of the disagreement.
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