Posted on May 10, 2015
CW5 Roy Rucker Sr.
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No one, and I mean no one, gets anything from me until they earn it. From the moment this sanctimonious jerk came on the world stage, he has been nothing but a pompous, arrogant prick and pathological liar. As a POTUS, he is the consummate fraud. As a human being, he is a waste of oxygen. To your question, not only no, but Hell No. Returning to the matter of your question, any particular reason you feel a need to post this particular question? Any particular president that you had in mind, or are you actually speaking in general terms???
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SSG Lloyd Becker BSBA-HCM, MBA
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To make this question even more feasible, let me put it this way.

Since the millitary takes an Oath to uphold the Constitution, this does not give the military personnel any right to be bound by the Constitution. In other words, When a person enlists, there are no constitutional rights for anyone wearing the uniform of the United States. And, while in the military, they have no right to vote either.

So, if you disrespect the president, you get court-martialed. Disrespect the Congressman, you get court-martialed. Even disrespecting the dog-catcher, you get court-martialed. Disrespecting anyone who has influence over you, you get court-martialed.

Do you see the escalation of stupdity? I think Mr. Rucker is seeing things from ONLY his point-of-view and his eyesight is very dim. What about all of the other presidents that have been talked badly about. If you do not know what I mean, the liberals were in the streets hanging Bush 43 in effigy and calling for his murder. This was center-piece conversation at the time everywhere, to include the military. According to Mr. Ruckers' discussion, Bush 43 could have had lots of military personnel court-martialed and imprisoned for disrepect.

My question to Mr. Rucker is this: What should the President have done during the military race riots of the 1970s? (Or, is Mr. Ruckers' vision still cloudy?) Should that president have everyone rounded up in those riots and imprisoned for actions unbecoming of a soldier. Remember, Viet Nam was still going on then.

For me, I got the hell out of these race riots by reenlisting and going back to Viet Nam. At least there was some sanity and people actually worked together. All I see in this thread, is divisiveness.

Everyone who has any rank on their shoulder, or sleeve, has said derogatory things about politicians and if you say you have not, then you join the cast of other liars.
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SGT Frank Leonardo
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If you are serving yes you should, if your out and done with the service say what you want
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We took a oath to the constitution and the office of the president however we also have a obligation to the lawfulness of such policies or orders. If they are unlawful we have s obligation to stand fast. Please study before making comments here. Disagreement with policies is Not disrespect!
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SSG Lloyd Becker BSBA-HCM, MBA
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With the current president, any disagreement from any servicemember is disrespect. I see that you are still in service and I do not know if they changed the Oath as I knew it. This president has issued fatwas multiple times and I can state that. You, you need to tread lightly, because you are still active service.
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I get what you are saying clearly. However that doesn't place him above the oath. Which is to the constitution 1st And foremost. And also from which that office derives its authority. I'm not condoning disrespect. Because someone disagrees with the policies that effect us doesn't make one disrespectful or a racist as his supporters call it. I am far from being disrespect ful I'm a pretty humble personality.
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SGT Frank Leonardo
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I am out of the Army for 9 years and some change did my time and as far as a crap president so be it not everyone has run like him and I never voted for him 1 time, I f I don't like someone I mind my own business and stay away from them. Disrespect to the President so be it if you are out deal with the whip lash from it. Like I stated if you are in and you don't like the commander in chief keep your lips sealed
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Agreed. Having served or not, ANY CiC should be subject to UCMJ, and have to adhere to those laws/regulations just as any enlisted/commissioned service member.
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SPC William Weedman
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When I entered basic training I was sent my absentee ballot. My Drill Sgt asked me who I voted for (George H W Bush CiC 41) so every one who agreed with me did push-ups for our candidate. Then he asked who would vote for Michael Dukakis; and they all got to do push-ups as well. The one guy who informed our Drill Sgt. he would not vote got to do a double set of push-ups for not voting. That said, the majority of my career, I did not vote for the POTUS I obeyed the orders of; I also did not vote for any of the Governors I obeyed the orders of as a National Guardsman. Just because I did not vote for them did not mean I did not gave them the respect due the title Commander in Chief. If it is barracks chatter "President Lincoln is nuts if he thinks I'm fighting the Confederates." that is one thing, but if that guy starts walking around town in uniform with a sign saying the same thing it's very different. I disagree with other people regularly, but there is no need to disrespect them. I do not like my current representative to Congress currently at least on a political level, but when he has attended social functions I have attended and he's trying to win votes, I'll smile and shake his hand and say "Hello" it's polite and he's seems like a nice guy.
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MSgt Ted C Hall
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Here I thought we'd all sworn an oath to uphold The Constitution. Last time I looked political speech was the most protected form. I think you'd have to wear your uniform and make a public speech to violate the UCMJ badly enough for charges to stick.
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Sgt David Hutchinson
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All I know is what is in the UCMJ and Supreme Court says. When we join we lose some of those rights
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CPL Eric Allen
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haha not in the army Officers can find any reason to stick UCMJ on to a soldiers file..... free speech isn't allowed in the military anymore
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I agree with the MSG. Yea, an officer can pretty much do whatever they want, but they will destroy moral and have a very ineffective unit in the end. BLUF if the POTUS wants respect then he should earn it instead of treating his soldiers like a chess piece.
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CPO Jack De Merit
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IF the Commander in Chief served in the Military, maybe yes. Our current CIC is a brainless fool with brainless lackeys doing his bidding. He has done more to undermine the Military than any other person since Benedict Arnold.
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CW5 Roy Rucker Sr.
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I asked this question in reference to the position of Commander in Chief....It doesn't matter who that person the person holding the office is at the time. I have served under a few CINCs since 1989 and have never disrespected either of them or the position.

The RallyPoint Administrators added the photo of the current POTUS to stir up a little controversy or I guess to see what type of responses would be generated about President Obama.
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SGT 94 E Radio Comsec Repairer
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Good point, Sir. Maybe a photo of the White House would have been a better addition. As for the photo an Admin added, I assume they chose it simply because he is our current POTUS, not necessarily to generate controversy. The topic is controversial enough in its own right, as we've seen from older, similar discussions.
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Maybe this is just me being an MP but...

Prosecuted is a legal word. If you're going to prosecute people and you want me to enforce this rule under UCMJ, I need a definition "Disrespect to the Commander-in-Chief". Is this more, less, or the same as the current definition towards Military Officers already in the UCMJ?
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CW5 Roy Rucker Sr.
CW5 Roy Rucker Sr.
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Really, Sir?
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Yeah man, really. Look, I think this is probably a good idea, if Soldiers can be in violation of UCMJ for disrespect to an NCO then the CiC is probably a good addition, however, there needs to be clear definition here because criticizing the CiC is also a political right that Soldiers have as citizens and voters. I think personally that this could be a good thing, but we have to still allow Soldiers the limited political interaction they have without taking more of it away.
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Hahaha, meet me over at the field in the motor pool annex by the Starbucks later and we can wrestle to decide the final wording!
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CW5 Roy Rucker Sr.
CW5 Roy Rucker Sr.
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So you think soldiers have the right to blatantly disrespect the office of CINC? That is what my question is all about. It has nothing to do with politics and I see a ton of people mixing the two. I could care less who is the name behind the office. The office itself is a permanent position and the person holding the office has a limited time to occupy the office. This was not a political question at all and I think you would lose the wrestling match ...hahahahaha!
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SGT Kevin Brown
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I think you need more context in your question Sir. A service member is limited in uniform in regards to politics and obviously disrepecting senior officers (commissioned or non). With that said, we still have the 1st Amendment, and though we cannot openly disrespect the POTUS, the military or its officers while in uniform, private conversation and other forms of expression are not subject under UCMJ just because someone might see it as disrespectful or offensive. For example: I personally cannot stand our current POTUS and I cannot wait until he is out of office (the sooner the better). With that said, I do not publicly rally against him, protest him, nor do I disobey any lawful orders that have been passed down to me through my chain of command, under him. Another example of the use of freedom of expression includes a Marine who was charged under UCMJ after posting a picture on a social network site that he photoshopped of the Preidents face on a Donkey. The court dropped the charges and ruled that his actions fell under the practice of his freedom of expression. Many military personnel hated Bush when he was in office and talked very badly about him, in private and publically. The individual is no more protected then you or I are to the scrutiny of the public (or our peers), even though our rank is and we hold said rank. With all that said, a common value held true across the military is respect and that value, as well as all others, shall be practiced and lived by all service members.
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CW5 Roy Rucker Sr.
CW5 Roy Rucker Sr.
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My question has nothing to do with politics. I'm speaking of blatant disrespect of the office of the Commander and Chief.
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