Posted on Jun 29, 2016
Do you think NCO leadership is the same as it was 10-15 years ago?
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Not at all, back in the days a Corporal had respect. These new soldiers have no respect for E-7/ SFC
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Nothing wrong with NCO Leadership its the people society produces. Mostly, an unwillingness to do what is necessary for the overall good, and that was learned from a community planner and a bunch of lawyers.
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I remember being scared of my e-5s when i was a private , seems that back then they had more balls and put fear in young bucks and yet still managed to get stuff done with out people crying about this or that, ASE cards were not there and i actually respected my e-4s and still we had unit cohesion and respect to one another. all im saying is that its not like that anymore, e4 is treated sometimes just like a private and e5 cant do as much be them selves an less e6's are around.
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10-15 years ago we were at war. Leaders and Soldiers work together as a team. Leaders promise to take care of these warriors and bring them back safe. Leaders were strict enforcing these rules and regulations. Leaders were not scared to speak their mind. Not scared to work hard and train hard. They did lack SHARP issues due to the culture. Leaders and Soldiers did get a 2nd chance if they mess up. Today, one strike you out.
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I am a AIT instructor right now and it is sad, but true. There are some of the Platoon SGTs that are rangers, infantry and so forth and are told that they are going to lose their careers if they continue to be the way they are. Now that the PLT SGTs can no longer do what NCOs are supposed to, we are getting them in the classrooms even more undisciplined. Some of don't care and take the risk of getting in trouble ourselves and correct them and do our parts as NCOs anyway. I tell the Soldiers all the time to have fun while in training, but its a different ball game when they get to their units.
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active yes reserves no, ncoes dont do what needs to be done because they dont get paid for it, and take away family time
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ssg ryan you missed the point, in the reserves we have to do on line training mandatory, as reservist if they dont get paid to do it then it aint gettin done on their own time, so that said now we have to do it at drill, scrub the training schedule for that weekend because we have deadlines to meet on this mandatory training, active and guard and reserve are totally different beasts, if it were up to me you didnt come thru, negative counsel, maybe reduction in rank, i fought the battle with bn, brg about compensating sm's doing on line courses at home not on duty and lost, active duty your paid 24/7/365 so no excusses
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The officer corp has stripped the power of the NCO away. For all the schools we attend now we should be much more advanced. However the focus of the schools has become more about supporting the officers and less emphasis on taking care of your soldiers.
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I entered the Air Force nearly 50 years ago, at that time NCO were like gods, when a senior NCO spoke you jumped to respond. That changed over the next 20 years. We didn't lead out of fear, their was a little more compassion for the Airman and his family, in the 60's family was secondary. To tell the truth I sometimes think in some situations is still needed. It's been nearly 30 years since I had to deal with any of it, but I will say that my leadership training translated into civilian life and I had a smooth transition into the business world because of it.
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General Powell said it all above. Failure of leadership, either you stopped leading them, or you do not care about your people assigned to you. Have you ever watched "Tour of Duty? The sgt. takes care of his men, and they respect him for it. It is a two way street, you get what you put into it. If you do not care, then they will not caare about you.
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I think like all things times are changing and so isn't leadership skills. Technology rules the world and we need to learn with it, but we can not forget the basics either. To me treat your soldiers as you would want be treated. Take care of them and they will take care of you. You need to continue to know your job and mentor soldiers to do your job. I think as leaders we don't hold ourselves accountable as much anymore. We blame the generation but we need to learn to step up ourselves first. There are many ways to get leadership skills between reading both military and business books help.
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PO2 David Allender
Leadership is the basic part of the service. If there is no leadership what good is all the technology going to do if nobody cares about what they are suppose to do?
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SSG Mark Franzen
I think that the leadership of the Military has gone in the way they're soldiers are acting out being disrespectful
And being unfit to serve. Bring back the NCO's that had a back bone not ones who just go through the motions.
And being unfit to serve. Bring back the NCO's that had a back bone not ones who just go through the motions.
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I was in the military for over 40 years, 1969-2009. I have said this before in one or more of these forums, In the Army and reserve components, NCOs and Officers are being promoted at a too fast rate. They don't understand the positions they are being moved up to. The level of professional SR NCO in today's Army could not compare to those 20, 30 or even 40 years ago. They key on PT alone and not the knowledge the individual needs not only for their present position but for the next. I don't know if there is such a thing anymore as NCO development TNG. I personally worked with every soldier in my companies to ensure they know their jobs and prepared them for their next position. I did not recommend a soldier for advancement until they were ready. I found that out early when I first became a 1SG. I recommended any individual be promoted to E-5, only after a period, to find out he was not ready. He could not do the whole scope of the position, so I ask him to request an administrative reduction and he did. He knew that this position was over his head. Today's soldiers are having the same problems that their predecessors had. As an NCO you need to be able to talk with your soldiers and help them through their problems. You are the only one that can first help them. Your mission comes first, but you are responsible for the physical and mental conditioning of you soldiers.
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