Posted on Oct 10, 2015
Do You Think There Will Be A WWIII One Day? Why Or Why Not?
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I have often ponder what would happen if World War III happen? Well Rallypoint what do you think would happen or why it's not going to happen? I think its a chance one day, because anything is possible. There are a lot of clues and media portraying WWIII throughout history and prophets (Nostradamus). I pray for peace that it never happens. Here are some key points of interest. Are you prepared if it does happens?
World War III (WWIII, WW3 or the Third World War) is a hypothetical worldwide military conflict following World War II. Because of the development and use of nuclear weapons near the end of World War II and their subsequent acquisition and deployment by several countries, it is feared that a third world war could cause massive global destruction and could even cause the end of human civilization and most or all human life on Earth. A common hypothesis is that a small number of people could survive such an armageddon, possibly in deep underground blast shelters or away from Earth such as on the Moon or Mars or in space vehicles. Another major concern is that biological warfare could cause a very large number of casualties, either intentionally or inadvertently by an accidental release of a biological agent or the unexpected mutation of an agent or its adaptation to other species after use.
One of the first imagined scenarios, hypothesized shortly after or even during World War II, is a nuclear war between the United States and the Soviet Union, which emerged as superpowers following World War II. This has been widely used as a premise or plot device in books, films, television productions, and video games. However, a few writers have instead applied the term 'World War III' to the Cold War, arguing that it met the definition of a world war even though there was no direct armed conflict between the superpowers.
World War I (1914–18) was regarded at the time as the "war to end all wars" as it was believed there could never be another global conflict of such magnitude. World War II (1939–45) proved that to be false, and with the advent of the Cold War (1947–91) and the adoption of nuclear weapons, the possibility of a third global conflict became more plausible. It was anticipated and planned for by military and civil authorities in many countries. Scenarios ranged from conventional warfare to limited or total nuclear warfare or even leading to the destruction of civilization
World War III as past or present tense[edit]
Cold War[edit]
Norman Podhoretz has suggested that the Cold War can be identified as World War III[51] because it was fought, although by proxy, on a global scale, involving the United States, NATO, the Soviet Union and Warsaw Pact countries.[citation needed] Similarly, Eliot Cohen, the director of strategic studies at the Paul H. Nitze School of Advanced International Studies at Johns Hopkins University, declared, in The Wall Street Journal, that he considers World War III to be history, writing: "The Cold War was World War III, which reminds us that not all global conflicts entail the movement of multi-million-man armies, or conventional front lines on a map."[52] On the 24 May 2011 edition of CNBC's Kudlow and Company, host Lawrence Kudlow, discussing a book by former deputy Under-Secretary of Defense Jed Babbin, accepted the view of the Cold War as World War III, adding, "World War IV is the terror war, and war with China would be World War V."[53]
War on Terrorism[edit]
Further information: List of wars and battles involving ISIL
Some claim that the “War on Terrorism” is World War III, with the September 11 attacks having been the 'Pearl Harbor' that dragged the United States into a terrorism fight. The World War 3 remains in the realm of fiction for most of the civilian populations of the world.[54]On 1 February 2015, Iraq's Prime Minister declared that the War on ISIL was effectively "World War III", due to ISIL's declaration of a Worldwide Caliphate, its aims to conquer the world, and its success in spreading the conflict to multiple countries outside of the Levant region.[55] Speaking of ISIL's destruction of pre-Islamic sites in the region, Syria's head of antiquities, Maamoun Abdul Karim, stated that "this is the entire world's battle."[56]
Fiction[edit]
World War III is a common theme in fiction and art.
Many media concerning a Third World War portray the war as being fought with nuclear weapons, with some even portraying multiple major exchanges that result in anything from entire continents being wiped out (as in The Last Ship) to utter annihilation of the human race (as in On The Beach). However, some, such as The Third World War: The Untold Story and Red Storm Rising, portray a conventional war where the pressure by regional military commanders on the side losing at that time to use tactical nuclear weapons grows as the story goes on. With most WWIII fiction being written during the Cold War, when a US-Soviet conflict was seen as a very likely scenario, this tends to be the focus of most books and movies on the subject.
With the end of the Cold War, despite the public perception that such a war is now unlikely, the genre continues to grow. Some video games, such as Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2 and Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 3, are set in the midst of a world war between the United States and Russia after the latter frames a terrorist attack on the former. Other works, including the Fallout video game series and books like Invasion speculate about a future war between the US and China after the latter becomes a global superpower, others like Arc Light portray an unstable post-Cold War Russian Federation being the subject of a military coup, during which a series of accidents and misunderstandings trigger a nuclear strike by the Russians, with the US retaliating, and both nations locked in a war neither of them want.
As the Cold War was now over, the would-be conflict was occasionally visited as alternate history. In 1998, the German TV network ZDF and The Learning Channel in the United States collaborated on a mockumentary, Der Dritte Weltkrieg, set in a 1989-90 where a hard-line Soviet regime, having ousted Mikhail Gorbachev soon enough to suppress or preempt the Revolutions of 1989, launches a war which accidentally results in a full nuclear exchange; the film then rewinds to the point of divergence, Gorbachev's visit to East Berlin, and ends with a montage from the opening of the Berlin Wall and the reunification of Germany. In 2013, 50 years after John F. Kennedy was assassinated, the Military Channel aired What If?...Armageddon 1962, in which Kennedy is assassinated before becoming President, and two years later, Lyndon B. Johnson is unable to bring the Cuban Missile Crisis to a peaceful resolution.
The changed post-Cold War world and the changed perception of the likelihood of various threats have caused some Cold War stories to be re-imagined for the post-Cold War age. The Last Ship by William Brinkley has been adapted to a TV series of the same name, with the plot changed to a global pandemic rather than a nuclear exchange, whereas the 2012 remake of Red Dawn scraps the Soviet Union and its Cuban and Nicaraguan allies and is set in more contemporary times, having been rewritten to feature an ultranationalist Russia and an increasingly militant North Korea as the antagonistic invaders.
Books[edit]
Metro 2033 and Metro 2034, written by Dmitry Glukhovsky, depict a post-apocalyptic Russia following a violent nuclear exchange between all of the major countries in the world. Both books spawned video game counterparts.[57]
Red Army, by Ralph Peters, shows a Soviet invasion of Western Europe from an entirely Soviet perspective.[58]
Red Storm Rising, a World War III scenario covering a conventional Soviet invasion of Western Europe, by Tom Clancy, Red Storm Rising has the Politburo vote for a declaration of war against NATO forces following an Islamic terrorist attack on a Soviet oil facility, which cripples Soviet oil production and threatens their economy.[citation needed]
The Third World War, by Humphrey Hawksley, depicts a slow building crisis that culminates in a third world war involving nuclear and biological weapons.
The Third World War: The Untold Story, by General Sir John Hackett, portrays a conventional Soviet invasion of Western Europe, including the behavior of the formally neutral Ireland and Sweden, and internal Soviet debates and thinking, and explores the pressure by regional military commanders to use nuclear weapons.[59]
Trinity's Child, by William Prochnau, portrays a sudden nuclear attack by the USSR upon the United States, followed by an eruption of global warfare.[citation needed]
A Short History of the Future depicts a war between the forces supporting a more powerful version of the UN, such as Japan and the European Union, and the forces opposing its "interventions" in their affairs, such as the United States, China, and the Muslim nations.
Movies[edit]
On the Beach is a 1959 film based on the book by Nevil Shute, about American survivors in Australia investigating the emergence of a mysterious morse code transmission in the ruins of San Diego, and the consequences of radioactive fallout
Panic in Year Zero! is a 1962 film about a family, who was on vacation, witnessing a nuclear war in the mountains of California and attempting to return home.
Fail-Safe is a 1964 film based on the Eugene Burdick-Harvey Wheeler best seller about a computer malfunction that leads a US bomber group to attack the Soviet Union, with the President and others trying to stop it. The same story appeared in the comedy Dr. Strangelove, released in the same year. In 2000, a TV remake of Fail Safe appeared on CBS TV.
Dr. Strangelove or How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Love the Bomb, is a 1964 political satire black comedy film that concerns an unhinged United States Air Force general who orders a first strike nuclear attack on the Soviet Union. It follows the President of the United States, his advisers (including Dr. Strangelove), the Joint Chiefs of Staff, and a Royal Air Force (RAF) officer as they hopelessly try to prevent World War III by attempting to recall the bombers manned by fanatic crews trained to deliver their payload in the face of any adversity.
Damnation Alley is a 1977 film loosely based on the 1967 novel of the same name about a group of former soldiers hoping to head to Albany, New York from an abandoned base in California. This film also explored the theory that nuclear war could tilt the earth's axis, resulting in mutated insects, deadly floods and solar flares.
WarGames (1983) follows David Lightman, a young hacker who unwittingly accesses WOPR (War Operation Plan Response), a United States military supercomputer programmed to predict possible outcomes of nuclear war. Lightman gets WOPR to run a nuclear war simulation, originally believing it to be a computer game. The simulation causes a national nuclear missile scare and nearly starts World War III.
The Day After:, a 1983 TV movie depicting a fictional nuclear exchange in response to a blockade of West Berlin. The film is set in Lawrence, Kansas and Kansas City, MO and deals with the aftermath of a hospital doctor who is trying to keep his hospital intact, an enlisted USAF airman who left his base, and a college student who takes refuge with a family in Lawrence.
Threads is a 1984 TV movie depicting a fictional nuclear exchange in response to a US-Backed Coup in Iran and subsequent Soviet Occupation of Northern Iran. The film takes place in Sheffield and revolves around a couple, who is dealing with an unexpected pregnancy, and their families who struggle to survive. The main protagonist, who is carrying the baby, flees to the countryside to raise it and as a result, dies from years of radiation sickness.
Red Dawn is a 1984 film by John Milius, in which the Soviet Union, assisted by Cuban and Nicaraguan allies, invades the United States. The film was remade in 2012 with North Korea replacing Russia as the main invader (despite having the backing of an ultranationalist Russian government).
The Sum of All Fears is based on Tom Clancy's best-selling novel of the same name. Rather than Islamic terrorists, the script involves Neo-Nazis who wish to transform Europe into a fascist superstate.
In Mission: Impossible – Ghost Protocol, a Swedish-born Russian nuclear strategist plans to ignite a nuclear war between the United States and Russia in order to restore ecological balance to the planet.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_War_III
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nostradamus
World War III (WWIII, WW3 or the Third World War) is a hypothetical worldwide military conflict following World War II. Because of the development and use of nuclear weapons near the end of World War II and their subsequent acquisition and deployment by several countries, it is feared that a third world war could cause massive global destruction and could even cause the end of human civilization and most or all human life on Earth. A common hypothesis is that a small number of people could survive such an armageddon, possibly in deep underground blast shelters or away from Earth such as on the Moon or Mars or in space vehicles. Another major concern is that biological warfare could cause a very large number of casualties, either intentionally or inadvertently by an accidental release of a biological agent or the unexpected mutation of an agent or its adaptation to other species after use.
One of the first imagined scenarios, hypothesized shortly after or even during World War II, is a nuclear war between the United States and the Soviet Union, which emerged as superpowers following World War II. This has been widely used as a premise or plot device in books, films, television productions, and video games. However, a few writers have instead applied the term 'World War III' to the Cold War, arguing that it met the definition of a world war even though there was no direct armed conflict between the superpowers.
World War I (1914–18) was regarded at the time as the "war to end all wars" as it was believed there could never be another global conflict of such magnitude. World War II (1939–45) proved that to be false, and with the advent of the Cold War (1947–91) and the adoption of nuclear weapons, the possibility of a third global conflict became more plausible. It was anticipated and planned for by military and civil authorities in many countries. Scenarios ranged from conventional warfare to limited or total nuclear warfare or even leading to the destruction of civilization
World War III as past or present tense[edit]
Cold War[edit]
Norman Podhoretz has suggested that the Cold War can be identified as World War III[51] because it was fought, although by proxy, on a global scale, involving the United States, NATO, the Soviet Union and Warsaw Pact countries.[citation needed] Similarly, Eliot Cohen, the director of strategic studies at the Paul H. Nitze School of Advanced International Studies at Johns Hopkins University, declared, in The Wall Street Journal, that he considers World War III to be history, writing: "The Cold War was World War III, which reminds us that not all global conflicts entail the movement of multi-million-man armies, or conventional front lines on a map."[52] On the 24 May 2011 edition of CNBC's Kudlow and Company, host Lawrence Kudlow, discussing a book by former deputy Under-Secretary of Defense Jed Babbin, accepted the view of the Cold War as World War III, adding, "World War IV is the terror war, and war with China would be World War V."[53]
War on Terrorism[edit]
Further information: List of wars and battles involving ISIL
Some claim that the “War on Terrorism” is World War III, with the September 11 attacks having been the 'Pearl Harbor' that dragged the United States into a terrorism fight. The World War 3 remains in the realm of fiction for most of the civilian populations of the world.[54]On 1 February 2015, Iraq's Prime Minister declared that the War on ISIL was effectively "World War III", due to ISIL's declaration of a Worldwide Caliphate, its aims to conquer the world, and its success in spreading the conflict to multiple countries outside of the Levant region.[55] Speaking of ISIL's destruction of pre-Islamic sites in the region, Syria's head of antiquities, Maamoun Abdul Karim, stated that "this is the entire world's battle."[56]
Fiction[edit]
World War III is a common theme in fiction and art.
Many media concerning a Third World War portray the war as being fought with nuclear weapons, with some even portraying multiple major exchanges that result in anything from entire continents being wiped out (as in The Last Ship) to utter annihilation of the human race (as in On The Beach). However, some, such as The Third World War: The Untold Story and Red Storm Rising, portray a conventional war where the pressure by regional military commanders on the side losing at that time to use tactical nuclear weapons grows as the story goes on. With most WWIII fiction being written during the Cold War, when a US-Soviet conflict was seen as a very likely scenario, this tends to be the focus of most books and movies on the subject.
With the end of the Cold War, despite the public perception that such a war is now unlikely, the genre continues to grow. Some video games, such as Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2 and Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 3, are set in the midst of a world war between the United States and Russia after the latter frames a terrorist attack on the former. Other works, including the Fallout video game series and books like Invasion speculate about a future war between the US and China after the latter becomes a global superpower, others like Arc Light portray an unstable post-Cold War Russian Federation being the subject of a military coup, during which a series of accidents and misunderstandings trigger a nuclear strike by the Russians, with the US retaliating, and both nations locked in a war neither of them want.
As the Cold War was now over, the would-be conflict was occasionally visited as alternate history. In 1998, the German TV network ZDF and The Learning Channel in the United States collaborated on a mockumentary, Der Dritte Weltkrieg, set in a 1989-90 where a hard-line Soviet regime, having ousted Mikhail Gorbachev soon enough to suppress or preempt the Revolutions of 1989, launches a war which accidentally results in a full nuclear exchange; the film then rewinds to the point of divergence, Gorbachev's visit to East Berlin, and ends with a montage from the opening of the Berlin Wall and the reunification of Germany. In 2013, 50 years after John F. Kennedy was assassinated, the Military Channel aired What If?...Armageddon 1962, in which Kennedy is assassinated before becoming President, and two years later, Lyndon B. Johnson is unable to bring the Cuban Missile Crisis to a peaceful resolution.
The changed post-Cold War world and the changed perception of the likelihood of various threats have caused some Cold War stories to be re-imagined for the post-Cold War age. The Last Ship by William Brinkley has been adapted to a TV series of the same name, with the plot changed to a global pandemic rather than a nuclear exchange, whereas the 2012 remake of Red Dawn scraps the Soviet Union and its Cuban and Nicaraguan allies and is set in more contemporary times, having been rewritten to feature an ultranationalist Russia and an increasingly militant North Korea as the antagonistic invaders.
Books[edit]
Metro 2033 and Metro 2034, written by Dmitry Glukhovsky, depict a post-apocalyptic Russia following a violent nuclear exchange between all of the major countries in the world. Both books spawned video game counterparts.[57]
Red Army, by Ralph Peters, shows a Soviet invasion of Western Europe from an entirely Soviet perspective.[58]
Red Storm Rising, a World War III scenario covering a conventional Soviet invasion of Western Europe, by Tom Clancy, Red Storm Rising has the Politburo vote for a declaration of war against NATO forces following an Islamic terrorist attack on a Soviet oil facility, which cripples Soviet oil production and threatens their economy.[citation needed]
The Third World War, by Humphrey Hawksley, depicts a slow building crisis that culminates in a third world war involving nuclear and biological weapons.
The Third World War: The Untold Story, by General Sir John Hackett, portrays a conventional Soviet invasion of Western Europe, including the behavior of the formally neutral Ireland and Sweden, and internal Soviet debates and thinking, and explores the pressure by regional military commanders to use nuclear weapons.[59]
Trinity's Child, by William Prochnau, portrays a sudden nuclear attack by the USSR upon the United States, followed by an eruption of global warfare.[citation needed]
A Short History of the Future depicts a war between the forces supporting a more powerful version of the UN, such as Japan and the European Union, and the forces opposing its "interventions" in their affairs, such as the United States, China, and the Muslim nations.
Movies[edit]
On the Beach is a 1959 film based on the book by Nevil Shute, about American survivors in Australia investigating the emergence of a mysterious morse code transmission in the ruins of San Diego, and the consequences of radioactive fallout
Panic in Year Zero! is a 1962 film about a family, who was on vacation, witnessing a nuclear war in the mountains of California and attempting to return home.
Fail-Safe is a 1964 film based on the Eugene Burdick-Harvey Wheeler best seller about a computer malfunction that leads a US bomber group to attack the Soviet Union, with the President and others trying to stop it. The same story appeared in the comedy Dr. Strangelove, released in the same year. In 2000, a TV remake of Fail Safe appeared on CBS TV.
Dr. Strangelove or How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Love the Bomb, is a 1964 political satire black comedy film that concerns an unhinged United States Air Force general who orders a first strike nuclear attack on the Soviet Union. It follows the President of the United States, his advisers (including Dr. Strangelove), the Joint Chiefs of Staff, and a Royal Air Force (RAF) officer as they hopelessly try to prevent World War III by attempting to recall the bombers manned by fanatic crews trained to deliver their payload in the face of any adversity.
Damnation Alley is a 1977 film loosely based on the 1967 novel of the same name about a group of former soldiers hoping to head to Albany, New York from an abandoned base in California. This film also explored the theory that nuclear war could tilt the earth's axis, resulting in mutated insects, deadly floods and solar flares.
WarGames (1983) follows David Lightman, a young hacker who unwittingly accesses WOPR (War Operation Plan Response), a United States military supercomputer programmed to predict possible outcomes of nuclear war. Lightman gets WOPR to run a nuclear war simulation, originally believing it to be a computer game. The simulation causes a national nuclear missile scare and nearly starts World War III.
The Day After:, a 1983 TV movie depicting a fictional nuclear exchange in response to a blockade of West Berlin. The film is set in Lawrence, Kansas and Kansas City, MO and deals with the aftermath of a hospital doctor who is trying to keep his hospital intact, an enlisted USAF airman who left his base, and a college student who takes refuge with a family in Lawrence.
Threads is a 1984 TV movie depicting a fictional nuclear exchange in response to a US-Backed Coup in Iran and subsequent Soviet Occupation of Northern Iran. The film takes place in Sheffield and revolves around a couple, who is dealing with an unexpected pregnancy, and their families who struggle to survive. The main protagonist, who is carrying the baby, flees to the countryside to raise it and as a result, dies from years of radiation sickness.
Red Dawn is a 1984 film by John Milius, in which the Soviet Union, assisted by Cuban and Nicaraguan allies, invades the United States. The film was remade in 2012 with North Korea replacing Russia as the main invader (despite having the backing of an ultranationalist Russian government).
The Sum of All Fears is based on Tom Clancy's best-selling novel of the same name. Rather than Islamic terrorists, the script involves Neo-Nazis who wish to transform Europe into a fascist superstate.
In Mission: Impossible – Ghost Protocol, a Swedish-born Russian nuclear strategist plans to ignite a nuclear war between the United States and Russia in order to restore ecological balance to the planet.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_War_III
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nostradamus
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We are already in it. We typically associate world wars with large armies on big battlefields fighting in more traditional fashion.
I would submit that world war III is a world war of ideas and insurgency. We see it all around us but do not think of it as a world war is it doesn't fit the mold. Of course to those that fought in the American Civil War, WWI and WWII would have seemed incomprehensible to them (from a how we fought it perspective).
War changes, tactics change, strategies change. Radical islam has goals just as Germany, Japan, Italy and other did in WWII. They cannot field traditional armies so they have adapted and are going to fight through insurgency. Will it be effective? Look at the middle east today. With our soft position and their willingness to slaughter all comers, they are advancing and making headway. Will they be successful? Depends on how they define success.
I would submit that world war III is a world war of ideas and insurgency. We see it all around us but do not think of it as a world war is it doesn't fit the mold. Of course to those that fought in the American Civil War, WWI and WWII would have seemed incomprehensible to them (from a how we fought it perspective).
War changes, tactics change, strategies change. Radical islam has goals just as Germany, Japan, Italy and other did in WWII. They cannot field traditional armies so they have adapted and are going to fight through insurgency. Will it be effective? Look at the middle east today. With our soft position and their willingness to slaughter all comers, they are advancing and making headway. Will they be successful? Depends on how they define success.
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CPT Jack Durish
You are absolutely correct Cpl Jeff N. We are at war and just like the Cold War, our fearless leaders are in denial. I wonder how long it will take for some President to step up to the plate, admit that we are at war, and begin to fight. Look at what happened when President Reagan faced up to the Soviet Union. They folded within a few years. Could the same happen with the War on Terror?
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SPC George Long
WWIII was thrust upon us some years ago. It is not like WWI or II. and wont be. In most cases it wont be a battle of Nation V Nation. It will be religion V Religion. Ideology of groups that live in varied countries and represent no country. It will continue to be Nations against Tribes. It will be Long lasting and current political actions by our President will keep us behind the curve for a long time.
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Exactly what I was going to say, Cpl. WWIII is a clash of ideologies, and we are already in the first stages of it.
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SPC Douglas Hemmingway
Indeed though one of the former Secretaries of Defense held in the last decade that we may in fact be in the Fourth World War already as he held that the Cold War with all its proxy wars was in fact the real Third World War.
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I think we are already in it. We say that WWII started for us when Pearl Harbor was attacked but it was slow brewing in the political decisions decades before. Just like in the past, we will have to draw a line and say 'this is where it officially started', but we are already neck deep in it. China building air strips in everyone's backyard, Russia acting like the old Russia, North Korea is North Korea, ISIS is pissing everyone off, Muslims are fleeing to everywhere non-Muslim and then raising complete hell that we don't act like Muslims, bankrupt countries, overpopulation, limited natural resources, unemployment/entitlement out of control, and our very own country has become so ferociously divided that many would surrender to a foreign power if they were told they wouldn't have to work another day in their life. Not to be overly dramatic, but we overthrew the British and had a revolution for a lot less than we are facing now. I often wonder what would happen if an event was so severe that our nation needed to have a draft? I honestly believe that our own countrymen would rather rise up and fight our own countrymen; for saying that they had to obey what someone else was ordering them to do in the name of national security. I'm sad to say that we are already in the deepest of poop.
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SFC Mark Merino
SFC Joe S. Davis Jr., MSM, DSL - Hell, I know where to get 300 OH-58D's within 3 miles of the house, big daddy!
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CPO Bob Silva
Sorry to say yes. As an old timer the adage is war is good for the country, in that it creates jobs, increases the DOW, and more money in the economy. The GOP funds a lot more money for war as we have seen during Bush. We had a surplus in the kitty before Iraq, soon after it started we has more and more deficits and more increases in the debate limit, I'm just saying the truth folks wether you like it or not. Just look at the budget bill passed by the GOP congressman funding the war machine not military pay or any increases to the VA.
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SFC Joe S. Davis Jr., MSM, DSL
MAJ Ken Landgren what countries do you foresee as alliances and enemies in a potential WWIII?
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MAJ Ken Landgren
My head is spinning on why nations go to war, why nations have a kinship with other nation......
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