Posted on Dec 14, 2017
Do you think today's repeal of Net Neutrality is good, bad, or a combination of both?
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I would say that you'll have to wait and see, but since this Net Neutrality regualtion has only been in effect for about 2 years and I never had a problem with my internet before the regulation not sure we will see any difference.
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In theory, "Net Neutrality" is the notion that ISPs can't throttle back stuff. That's rather nearsighted as people pay for whatever bandwidth they want. Gamers want/need more than mom and pop web surfers. It doesn't make sense for ISPs to put the brakes on NETFLIX and risk the consumer class action of "I've paid for 50Mbs and don't have 4K NETFLIX". That's the problem of overselling bandwidth that tanks during the prime time hours. The trick is to have competition. Problem is if you're rural, that can be tough. Personally I didn't see a difference either way when this stuff happened. It's likely more emotional noise than anything else. However, I'm willing to sit and see the actual results over time. I'm rural and the latest and best speed is from (gag) Frontier. Fiber to 1 mile away from the house and they ADSL it from there so I'm 11Mbs at best. For the same $49/month I can get 100Mbs in say Spokane Valley. That's the real problem of ISPs not keeping up with what people want and are willing to pay a bit more for. Time will tell. If the ISPs are smart, they'll do stuff over the next two years to demonstrate how heavy handed regulations stifle what you can have. That'd be the best preemptive strike vs. encouraging a legislative "fix".
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If Facebook and Google and liberals don't like it, it must be a good thing.
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I'm against anything that allows the sole ISP in my area to dictate what I can and cant consume. Also since its not being taxed anymore that means prices will drop right? Of course not because the ruling isn't about consumers its about corporations...
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SPC David Willis
SSG Robert Webster - Bright house, but yes. In many places there is only one internet option
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SSG Robert Webster
SPC David Willis - You must be way out in the boondocks or off the beaten path, but you can not be (off the beaten path) with Bright House (Spectrum/Time Warner Cable) being your provider. Don't they normally run a 75ohm cable system in most areas (probably yours) instead of twisted pair and its derivatives or fiber (or are they running fiber)?
Even the wide spot in the road that is called Coolidge, Kansas has more than one provider available (though one is the primary carrier/provider). It has four residential providers. Service there is quite slow comparatively at 25 Mbps and expensive at about $50 a month minimum. (67836) Connection types - Cable @ 44.2%, DSL @ 100%, and Fiber @ 0%.
Let's go to the next size of town on the list, Pretty Prairie, Kansas. It also has more than one provider available (though one is the primary provider), with nine residential providers. Service there is quite slow comparatively at 25 Mbps and though not as expensive as Coolidge, its minimum cost is $45 a month. (67570) Connection types - Cable @ 0%, DSL @ 71.3%, and Fiber @ 2%.
Now to a slightly bigger city/town, Kingman, Kansas. It has three (3) primary providers, with a total of 11 residential providers available. Compared to the other two locations, Kingman is an internet paradise with speeds up to 100 Mbps and a minimum cost of $23 a month. (67068) Connection types - Cable @ 60%, DSL @ 67.7%, and Fiber @ 2%.
And now to the city of Wichita, Kansas. It has two (2) primary providers, with a total of 8 residential providers available. With speeds up to 100 Mbps and a minimum cost of $30 a month. (67201) Connection types - Cable @ 97.9%, DSL @ 98.4%, and Fiber @ 0.1%.
So do not be surprised when I scoff at your claims of there being a sole (single, one, 1) ISP in your area. As to what is practical, that is a different story.
As for another of your complaints, just look at your cell phone data rates (that is if you use a cell phone) - Top of the line consume all you want = highest cost plan, versus the low end minimalist plan (consume small amounts) = lowest cost plan. It is really that simple, IF people would look.
Even the wide spot in the road that is called Coolidge, Kansas has more than one provider available (though one is the primary carrier/provider). It has four residential providers. Service there is quite slow comparatively at 25 Mbps and expensive at about $50 a month minimum. (67836) Connection types - Cable @ 44.2%, DSL @ 100%, and Fiber @ 0%.
Let's go to the next size of town on the list, Pretty Prairie, Kansas. It also has more than one provider available (though one is the primary provider), with nine residential providers. Service there is quite slow comparatively at 25 Mbps and though not as expensive as Coolidge, its minimum cost is $45 a month. (67570) Connection types - Cable @ 0%, DSL @ 71.3%, and Fiber @ 2%.
Now to a slightly bigger city/town, Kingman, Kansas. It has three (3) primary providers, with a total of 11 residential providers available. Compared to the other two locations, Kingman is an internet paradise with speeds up to 100 Mbps and a minimum cost of $23 a month. (67068) Connection types - Cable @ 60%, DSL @ 67.7%, and Fiber @ 2%.
And now to the city of Wichita, Kansas. It has two (2) primary providers, with a total of 8 residential providers available. With speeds up to 100 Mbps and a minimum cost of $30 a month. (67201) Connection types - Cable @ 97.9%, DSL @ 98.4%, and Fiber @ 0.1%.
So do not be surprised when I scoff at your claims of there being a sole (single, one, 1) ISP in your area. As to what is practical, that is a different story.
As for another of your complaints, just look at your cell phone data rates (that is if you use a cell phone) - Top of the line consume all you want = highest cost plan, versus the low end minimalist plan (consume small amounts) = lowest cost plan. It is really that simple, IF people would look.
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SPC David Willis
It's fair to be sceptical. I can't remember why it's only Bright house, it may just be a licensing agreement with the HOA but regardless I only have one option.
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SFC Josh Billingsley Bad, More Power for the ISPs less for the Customers. Prices Going Up, Quality Going Down Overall.
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PO1 William "Chip" Nagel
FCC Repeals 'Net Neutrality' Rules For Internet Providers
After a brief security evacuation, the agency voted to undo Obama-era regulations that prohibit cable and telecom companies from blocking access to websites and apps or influencing how fast they load.
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PO1 William "Chip" Nagel
What tech companies are saying about the repeal of net neutrality rules
In a 3-to-2 vote, the FCC ruled to roll back net neutrality policy established under the Obama administration.
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It's a bad thing. Net neutrality was put in place after multiple occasions of companies slowing down websites for monetary gain out of our pockets. Netflix had to pay out to companies to avoid their site being slowed down while they were growing. Skype was blocked from use for many, many people because it competed with other chatting apps. Families were unable to video chat with eachother. Net neutrality was regulation placed on big businesses as customer protection. It gave us access to ALL of the internet, without apps suddenly "not working" on us or pages "timing out".
Yes, we had internet before net neutrality laws were in place... and then that internet got to be better and safer WITH the laws.
Repealing it allows the internet companies to continue their control, holding the internet hostage from baby companies like they did for Netflix when it was just starting out online. It is horrible for small business. It's horrible for our wallets. It's horrible for any family who's video chat may cut out while daddy says hi to kids he can't see from the Middle East.
Yes, we had internet before net neutrality laws were in place... and then that internet got to be better and safer WITH the laws.
Repealing it allows the internet companies to continue their control, holding the internet hostage from baby companies like they did for Netflix when it was just starting out online. It is horrible for small business. It's horrible for our wallets. It's horrible for any family who's video chat may cut out while daddy says hi to kids he can't see from the Middle East.
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When the government is involved in any business it all goes to hell. The word neutrality is used just like the government uses the word transparent. When they are used, "look out" because something bad is going to happen. I'm a webmaster and I see and come across these rules every day. I have to review everything said, posted and etc. It can't be political ,it can't be profane, it has to have permission from the next of kin.The list goes on. Freedom of speach doesn't go far with these controls.
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Without net neutrality your content can be restricted without you ever knowing it - free markets are not so fair when consumers are being manipulated - "There's a sucker born every minute."
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