Posted on May 2, 2015
Do you use a financial advisor? If not, why not?
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In a given day, I speak to many professionals about investing. Many well-educated people typically respond with "I manage my own investments," which I've come to understand usually means they aren't doing any investing. Too often, they aren't even doing any saving. As vets and retirees, we have resources available to us 'free of charge,' but after examining plenty of 'free' services and packages available to vets from big name companies, I'm less than impressed. If you're using a financial advisor or investment company, which one do you use? How did that advisor earn your business? If you're not using an advisor, what are you doing to prepare for life after working?
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Responses: 14
My world is a little different and you really don't hold leadership positions until you make E-8, up until then you are just a guy on a team. Once I made MSG I would include financial planning into my quarterly counseling, I was shocked to see how many senior E-7s I had with nothing but a savings account and the long term plan of their military retirement. It was staggering to see intelligent grown men consider a savings account an investment.
I do manage my own investments and have done pretty well especially with the extra investing power of deployments but I am getting to the point where I have amassed an amount that pushes past my investment knowledge. I have been a long time customer with Fidelity and have had no complaints with their website function, knowledge, of investment funds. In fact as the year comes to a close I plan to have them manage both accounts I hold with them.
Many companies have minimums before they will manage your money but I advise guys I have who are new to the game to just call USAA and start their if they have an account. You can literally tell them you want a Roth IRA, how much you have/can afford a month and how much risk you are willing to take.
I do manage my own investments and have done pretty well especially with the extra investing power of deployments but I am getting to the point where I have amassed an amount that pushes past my investment knowledge. I have been a long time customer with Fidelity and have had no complaints with their website function, knowledge, of investment funds. In fact as the year comes to a close I plan to have them manage both accounts I hold with them.
Many companies have minimums before they will manage your money but I advise guys I have who are new to the game to just call USAA and start their if they have an account. You can literally tell them you want a Roth IRA, how much you have/can afford a month and how much risk you are willing to take.
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TSgt Christopher D.
1SG (Join to see), thank you for incorporating finances into your counseling. It is so important, and I wish more leaders would be counseling junior soldiers, sailors, airmen and marines on this as well. Kudos, sir!
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1SG (Join to see)
TSgt Christopher D. Thanks, here is the tough thing, it walks the fine line of education and advising, advising being in the off limits category and I think that puts a lot of leaders off. Additionally it is kind of a private thing and lastly most guys don't have a clue! That last one circles back to what you bring up, if you have no knowledge you can't very well teach it right?
We had the Vice Chief of Staff here a few months ago and that was my question to him. The talk of a 401 pillared retirement plan is being tossed around and my question was how far along is the education, planning, and integration of it coming. The leadership at the highest levels have continued to fail the junior ranks in the importance of investing for the future.
We had the Vice Chief of Staff here a few months ago and that was my question to him. The talk of a 401 pillared retirement plan is being tossed around and my question was how far along is the education, planning, and integration of it coming. The leadership at the highest levels have continued to fail the junior ranks in the importance of investing for the future.
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I am a financial advisor/ investment advisor representative with primerica advisors. i possess the knowledge / experience to manage my own portfolio. i do manage my own investments. yet, as a professional, i still have another advisor review my investments.
working with an advisor is important to reaching your reaching your goals. They are keys and strategies that professionals employ to keep you on teack. They can help predict future costs, help manage risks, and help you determine investments for your particular situation.
working with an advisor is important to reaching your reaching your goals. They are keys and strategies that professionals employ to keep you on teack. They can help predict future costs, help manage risks, and help you determine investments for your particular situation.
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TSgt Christopher D.
Thank you, SFC Jackson. I am also a financial advisor, but with Edward Jones. The insights in your second paragraph ring true for everyone. I just wish everyone believed it. ;)
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SFC Michael Jackson, MBA
@tsgt Christopher D,
the important thing is we're to assist. I think most of us agree, there's a need for what we do.
the statistics are not in the favor of those do not work with a professional, regardless of company.
the important thing is we're to assist. I think most of us agree, there's a need for what we do.
the statistics are not in the favor of those do not work with a professional, regardless of company.
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Love this question and very interested in seeing the responses...though I'm gonna go out on a limb and predict there won't be that many.
First job after retirement was as a financial advisor with First Command Financial Planning. I know there are a bunch of strongly held opinions about that company and it's predecessors - and I have a few myself - but at the time being an advisor was my dream job. By the time I left active duty, I had all the securities licenses and most of the corporate training complete and went from out-processing to my first meeting with a client (under supervision, but still). I left 2 years later for a number of reasons, the most pressing of which was kids approaching college and insufficient income to stay on glide-path. For the record, I left active duty in July 2007...right before the crash...great timing to be a new advisor with a company that was completely overhauling their business model and compensation system during the biggest down-turn in recent memory.
I do most of my own planning now, though I do occasionally use my First Command advisor for a second opinion / sanity check. I've moved all of my accounts to USAA simply because of the convenience of having banking, savings, investments, and P&C insurance in one place. With a recent divorce, I've got some significant work to get done, but am on course for my version of success at age 70.
What am I doing? I cover down on risk management via insurance products from my employer and purchased privately. I have an aggressive monthly spending plan (aka budget) that sets aside savings and investments up front. I'm currently over-committing to these activities to recover from the divorce, which drives my discretionary spending down into the negligible range (hence typing responses on RP on a beautiful Saturday afternoon). Bottom line is I'm working it hard for the next 3 years to try and get out in front of the power curve rather than trying to catch back up.
First job after retirement was as a financial advisor with First Command Financial Planning. I know there are a bunch of strongly held opinions about that company and it's predecessors - and I have a few myself - but at the time being an advisor was my dream job. By the time I left active duty, I had all the securities licenses and most of the corporate training complete and went from out-processing to my first meeting with a client (under supervision, but still). I left 2 years later for a number of reasons, the most pressing of which was kids approaching college and insufficient income to stay on glide-path. For the record, I left active duty in July 2007...right before the crash...great timing to be a new advisor with a company that was completely overhauling their business model and compensation system during the biggest down-turn in recent memory.
I do most of my own planning now, though I do occasionally use my First Command advisor for a second opinion / sanity check. I've moved all of my accounts to USAA simply because of the convenience of having banking, savings, investments, and P&C insurance in one place. With a recent divorce, I've got some significant work to get done, but am on course for my version of success at age 70.
What am I doing? I cover down on risk management via insurance products from my employer and purchased privately. I have an aggressive monthly spending plan (aka budget) that sets aside savings and investments up front. I'm currently over-committing to these activities to recover from the divorce, which drives my discretionary spending down into the negligible range (hence typing responses on RP on a beautiful Saturday afternoon). Bottom line is I'm working it hard for the next 3 years to try and get out in front of the power curve rather than trying to catch back up.
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TSgt Christopher D.
Sir, my hats off to you. I know all too well what kind of havoc divorce can wreak in your finances.
I considered a job with First Command. I did not work for them, so I can't say anything good or bad about them.
I am curious though... would you agree with me that, without some education and/or training in investments, it isn't really a good idea for people to manage their own investments without an advisor?
Thanks for your response!
I considered a job with First Command. I did not work for them, so I can't say anything good or bad about them.
I am curious though... would you agree with me that, without some education and/or training in investments, it isn't really a good idea for people to manage their own investments without an advisor?
Thanks for your response!
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Lt Col Fred Marheine, PMP
I absolutely agree that effectively managing an investment portfolio - even if it's just your own - requires a significant investment of time and energy to first become grounded in the field (training/education) and as well as an investment of resources to access / become proficient in the tools / techniques / instruments available in the industry. For a person to believe they can do this themselves based on what they read in Forbes, see on CNBC, or hear recommended on weekend talk radio is absolutely stunning to me.
Which is not to say there are any special requirements for becoming proficient - a person could learn to run their own portfolio, just like a person could fix their BMW if they decided the wanted to...and then went to mechanic school, and invested in a bunch of tools, and subscribed to BMW's parts databases, etc, etc.
I also agree the vast majority of the "I do it myself" folks are actually in the "I always meant to do something, but haven't had time yet and will get to it next month" bin.
Which is not to say there are any special requirements for becoming proficient - a person could learn to run their own portfolio, just like a person could fix their BMW if they decided the wanted to...and then went to mechanic school, and invested in a bunch of tools, and subscribed to BMW's parts databases, etc, etc.
I also agree the vast majority of the "I do it myself" folks are actually in the "I always meant to do something, but haven't had time yet and will get to it next month" bin.
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I use a financial advisor because I don't have the knowledge or experience to handle investing retirement funds. I use The Mutual Fund Store.
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TSgt Christopher D.
LtCol Coe, I appreciate your candor, and am thrilled to see you're using a financial advisor (or getting advice) to help you achieve your goals.
I am not very familiar with The Mutual Fund Store. Would you mind telling us how/why you chose them?
I am not very familiar with The Mutual Fund Store. Would you mind telling us how/why you chose them?
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Lt Col Jim Coe
Listened to their radio show for years. Looked at their compensation plan--advisor makes money if I do. They have access to thousands of no-load funds, but they don't have their own in-house funds. Advisors NOT on sales commissions. Our advisor listened to us and our goals and has invested according. They don't sell annuities or other insurance products.
They also have a web site to help folks with 401k or TSP. smart401k.com.
They also have a web site to help folks with 401k or TSP. smart401k.com.
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TSgt Christopher D., I think everyone should. Most people seem to think that an attorney or a CPA will give them all the guidance and service they need, but it's simply not true. One must have a financial professional as part of their "guidance" system.
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TSgt Christopher D.
I couldn't agree more. People are floored when they find out I have CPAs who are clients.
Scott trade, E-trade and the like have made it very tempting for people with no investment experience to sign up, create an account, deposit money and 'manage their own investments.' Sadly, there is a theory in the investment world called the "Odd Lot Theory"; the theory that the individual investor picks wrong at a near 90% clip. Indeed some firms employ traders who simply bet against swings caused by the individual investor.
Just be choosy, folks. You need to know your advisor puts your interests above their own. ;)
Scott trade, E-trade and the like have made it very tempting for people with no investment experience to sign up, create an account, deposit money and 'manage their own investments.' Sadly, there is a theory in the investment world called the "Odd Lot Theory"; the theory that the individual investor picks wrong at a near 90% clip. Indeed some firms employ traders who simply bet against swings caused by the individual investor.
Just be choosy, folks. You need to know your advisor puts your interests above their own. ;)
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I think the stigma that used to be associated with financial advisers is that they were primarily Life Insurance salesmen, that may have changed, but the perception is still there
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Financial advisers need to be paid for their time and I really don't feel the need to diminish my earnings in exchange for information I already know.
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Great question, TSgt. I would always recommend, when seeking a financial adviser, asking how they would be compensated for my investment. In the past I have received responses that the advisor compensation arrangements amounted to a kickback for sales of their investment products. So their so called investment recommendation, was apparently in the adviser's interest rather than mine. I would strongly recommend checking the adviser's background, including any FINRA complaints (available on the FINRA web site, "broker check"). Also, when investing in actively managed mutual funds, compare the "information ratio" among funds. The information ratio is the measure of risk-adjusted excess return (over the benchmark). If you invest in active funds, you want to beat the benchmark (e.g. S&P 500) but you don't want the fund to take on too much risk to achieve that excess return. And look at fund metrics in a long term perspective, beyond a single year'd performance. Growing in popularity are low-fee passive (index) funds. I would recommend those to anyone how does not have the interest/ability to research active funds. A former Marine, Rick Ferri has a blog the covers investing in passive funds. You may care to check that out.
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Before anyone decides whether they need a financial advisor, they need to have a basic understanding about investing. The difference between stock and bonds, balanced investing, saving more than you spend, etc. The resources out there are endless, Vanguard.com, Military.com, Investor.gov, etc...etc.
Expend the effort to learn about budgeting, , saving, and investing. You can then decide whether you can handle your own investments or need a financial advisor. If you decide you need help, at least you will know what the Financial advisor is talking about, and can make an informed opinion as to the advisor having your best interests at heart.
Expend the effort to learn about budgeting, , saving, and investing. You can then decide whether you can handle your own investments or need a financial advisor. If you decide you need help, at least you will know what the Financial advisor is talking about, and can make an informed opinion as to the advisor having your best interests at heart.
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I'm an engineer. I don't do brain surgery, baseball, and most other things because I'm lousy at it. A financial advisor can help you figure out what to do with your earnings so you keep more of it working for your future. You won't be able to work for salary at some point and usually don't want to at some point sooner.
If you're military AD, you'll need more than your retirement. If you put into the TSP, great. The critical late time you'll need an advisor is when you hit 59 1/2 and can roll the TSP into something else.
Your goal should be to quit working and not see a difference in salary with some inflation protection. It's doable with two careers under your belt by 60 along with the 401/TSP Medium if you have an retired annuity or 401/TSP Heavy if you don't have one.
If you're military AD, you'll need more than your retirement. If you put into the TSP, great. The critical late time you'll need an advisor is when you hit 59 1/2 and can roll the TSP into something else.
Your goal should be to quit working and not see a difference in salary with some inflation protection. It's doable with two careers under your belt by 60 along with the 401/TSP Medium if you have an retired annuity or 401/TSP Heavy if you don't have one.
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TSgt Christopher D.
Thank you, CAPT Kevin B..
With respect to the TSP, people need to understand what it means for your TSP account to be considered "abandoned." It may be prudent for an individual to roll that TSP into an IRA upon retirement or separation.
One small point of contention: using a financial advisor before age 59 and a half. I think this is a fantastic idea. I was floored to discover how many people had left old 401k's dormant when they left a job, or got laid off, or how many people believed that putting $100 a month into a bank savings account for their child would cover the costs of college tuition.
With respect to the TSP, people need to understand what it means for your TSP account to be considered "abandoned." It may be prudent for an individual to roll that TSP into an IRA upon retirement or separation.
One small point of contention: using a financial advisor before age 59 and a half. I think this is a fantastic idea. I was floored to discover how many people had left old 401k's dormant when they left a job, or got laid off, or how many people believed that putting $100 a month into a bank savings account for their child would cover the costs of college tuition.
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CAPT Kevin B.
TSgt Christopher D. Right on. If separating early or retiring at 40, you need to roll the TSP into something else. I rolled my civil service TSP at 60 once I tied down my solution. Also recommend people check out the guaranteed education tuition programs most states run. Lock it in at a 10 year near treasury rate to buy the units up front. They "earn" much much more in growth credit which is based on the price of college tuition. For about $4 grand/year it grew to $100 grand for both kids by the time they hit college. Much better "return" than stuffing it into a bank. $50 grand for a kid's college can go a long way if they do local community for the first two years, then finish elsewhere. They typically have to get a part time job to buy food and dorm, but at the end, no student loan to pay off.
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TSgt Christopher D.
College debt these days is absolutely atrocious. If you were able to cover your kids' education costs, you did them a favor they won't understand without looking at the financial pandemic that is the student loan debacle. Good on you, sir!
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