Posted on Mar 24, 2014
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</font><p style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;" class="MsoPlainText"><font size="3"><font color="#000000"><font face="Calibri">I really getting tired of hearing that If you don't go
and get your Combat Patch, <span style="mso-spacerun: yes;">&nbsp;</span>you will not
make it in the Army. What's with that? I've been on 5 rosters and taken off all
5. But been sent to Firs, Hurricanes and Tornados. So getting deployed domestically
does not count.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;">&nbsp; </span>I'm starting to believe
that everyone that has there Combat Patch, are a little upset that they had to
go. I never turned down or gotten out of one. So I'm passed up because of this.
I would never tell some to go volunteer to go to Combat, <span style="mso-spacerun: yes;">&nbsp;</span>and then have to live with them not making it
or coming back messed up. If you get sent then you get sent. If not, well then
you don't. Makes me a bad leader? I don't think so. My NCOERS don't say I am.
Stop telling everyone to get deployed.. <span style="mso-spacerun: yes;">&nbsp;</span>Sorry,
my 2cents for today. <?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" /><o:p></o:p></font></font></font></p><font color="#000000" size="3" face="Times New Roman">

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COL Strategic Plans Chief
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The combat patch, the CAB, the CIB, the TAB doesn't make you a leader. You are who you are. If you are a good leader, then those things are just a magnifying glass and makes you more of what you already are. If you are a jack-wagon, then it makes you worse because it gives you something to lord over other people about. All that being said, for career progression, it would be wise to deploy. It is a factor when people look at your ERB and compare it to others. There are always people that are just as good as you are. Especially at the top ranks. Every CSM could be replaced with one just as good. So the little things matter. If everything else was equal...if you had two people who were EXACTLY the same...and one had combat experience and one did not, the Army would be foolish to take the guy without that experience. It isn't the defining characteristic of a person, but it is something on top of that.
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LTC Zachary Hubbard
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My father-in-law is a retired top sergeant who served in the ADA. He was in Duster, Redeye and Hawk units for two tours in Korea and three in Germany during the Cold War. He also served in Nike Ajax units in Philadelphia and Los Angeles during the Cold War. He never "earned" a combat patch, but that doesn't mean he didn't bust his butt and serve his country proudly. I earned combat patches with the 2d Armored Division in the Gulf War and 10th Mountain Division in Somalia during a 24-year career. Though my father-in-law had no combat patch on his right sleeve when he retired after 22 years, I dare anyone to try to explain how his service meant less to our country than mine.
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MSG Floyd Williams
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I requested so many times in the past to go on every area that was considered a combat zone, and each time was denied and sent somewhere else either to train soldiers or being in the Europe Theater for support. I was an Instructor and the Army felt I was needed more training and qualifying soldiers to be Transporters, I'm still a little disappointed but honored to support in every capacity.
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MAJ Cybersecurity Manager
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MSG Williams, just think of how many Soldiers your training has saved.
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MSG Floyd Williams
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CPT Alexander, I always wanted to make a difference at all cost, because I witness a lot of shady Senior Leaders even the ones I know personally. There are a couple of Senior Sergeants never been out of the country, and doing everything in their power to never go overseas anywhere, it isn't fair to everyone else in uniform. I wish the Army look at this more closely because deployments to combat zones comes with the job and career.
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MSG Floyd Williams
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Another thing I failed to mention, I always took training serious because the soldiers I trained lives were in my hands preparing them for wartime missions. I couldn't live with myself if I didn't do the right thing, everything about leadership in the Leadership Courses is taught for a reason to lead, save lives, and to be victorious in battle. I'm not perfect flaws is in me, but what is more important to me is doing my best for the sake of the troops and country.
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MSG Gerry Poe
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It doesn't matter if you have a combat patch or not, as long as you are upholding your Army Values and striving to be the best soldier/leader you can. Having a SSI-FWT just shows that you as a soldiers had been assigned to a unit serving in a declared hostile environment and who had actively participated or supported ground combat operations against hostile forces. I don't think it makes you any better than any other soldier, but identifies you as a combat veteran.
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SGT Jay Maples
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A soldier is defined by his skills, actions and commitment to duty not by the badges and tabs he wears. Doing your job honorably and to the best of your ability is what is really important not a patch.
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I believe the combat patch is not the end all be all. There is so much diversity in jobs in the Army and on deployment. In my situation, I have been the Battalion Medical Operations Officer for a hard charging/Ranger All The Way infantry battalion for about a year and a half. We were suppose to deploy, however, it was canceled. 
Being a Medical Operations Officer for a line battalion (infantry, CAV, FA,) is one of the hardest positions a Medical Service Officer endures during their career, especially if they are in one of the two infantry battalions in a BCT due to them usually being the most kinetic in garrison and on deployment.
Some of my peers, whom I attended my officer's basic course with, arrived at their units and deployed right away. They deployed for a little over a month and received that combat patch as PLs in the support battalion's medical company. They had little involvement and very little experience in the very short time that they were there. Shortly after a month, they redeployed. 
I know my time in my unit has given me way more experience than that deployment or experience with the unit that they are currently in right now can ever give. However, they have that "combat patch".
From what I have been hearing, most current deployments are not very kinetic and mostly oriented around support roles. My Battalion command group heavily promotes Ranger Regiment. I plan to attend RASP and I promote it to my medics at the lowest level. I know some of my medics are way better than so many of their peers who may have had a deployment. Yet it is basically impossible for them to make points for SPC to SGT. I know a place like Regiment not only gets that deployment for them on paper, but it gives them a unique/more challenging deployment experience that will be much different than a regular unit's deployment. I plan to attend RASP to get that experience and strong deployment as well.
MAJ Samuel Weber
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I don't think that it is the FWTS Patch that hurts you, but the lack of experience in doing your job in a deployed or combat environment. It is different to do your job when it really matters. In Garrison you can make mistakes and forget to things, but the consequences are minor. After 13 years of conflict the majority of the military has deployed in some capacity. Do I think it should affect your career? No, because we can only deploy when ordered to do so and volunteer assignments are hard to secure. But there is something to be said for combat deployment experience. It does help you to appreciate the value to realistic training and to prioritize truly important things instead of getting caught up in the trivial tasks that sometimes garrison life can direct. Let me ask you this, is it fair to say that someone who has not deployed get the same consideration as someone who has deployed two maybe three times?   
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Sir,  Bit of an open
ended question. What did they do. Did they run an office? Go on combat
missions? work in the motor pool? What about someone that never fired there weapon
at all. verses a Soldier that as. Do they get a NCOER in a combat zone? And
what does it say? I know someone that was Deployed 4 time blow up 2 times and
has a new shoulder. You can say no, he's not a effected leader with the issues
he as. Which in his case I can understand. It should be a performance based.
Not combat based. I have this told to me directly, that I need to go on a
deployment to make E-8. I don't believe that at all.  If they're going to look at a Soldier,  under the Combat or Not. Then why have a
NCOER?? And I guess saving lives and helping in Firs, Hurricanes and Tornados domestically



does not count. And all the new Soldier coming in, there
never going have a change. With the War ending and all. Again it's just my
2cents.



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MAJ Samuel Weber
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Well I would ask that you look at the Soldiers MOS. I am Medical Service and am responsible for managing medical support for combat operations. Does that mean that I will fire my weapon or my medics? No, in fact they should be the last ones to do so. BUT when conducting convoy health force protection an injury in the middle of Iraq defiantly increased the "pucker factor" of my medics compared to providing aid on a range in the U.S. The threat of immanent danger is real and it heightens your senses. It tests how you will perform under real pressure when it matters, not when its practice. From your personal example, think about how your performed when you were training, then think how you performed when you were executing your duties during a disaster? Different right? Now I have never assisted in disaster relief, so I can say how I would perform. Perspective makes all the difference.
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Sir, Well, I perform my duites at 100% training or not. I put my Soldiers first and my PL first.  Executing my duties during the disasters where not that much different. Just a lot less sleep.  
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MSG Martin C.
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I have read countless AARs from the promotion boards and sat on countless NCODPs about board proceedings and promotions. All I can tell you is that is MOS driven. There are certain MOS that will never have a chance to deploy case and point my friends spouse is a farmacy tech she has never gotten deployed not to fault of her own. I believe that you ought to do your job to the best of your abilities and always take care of your Soldiers. If you ever got deployed or not it's no body's problem but yours. As far as the promotion boards go you cannot control what those CSMs are looking for; will they value deployment time? Probably yes. However will they take in consideration what have you done in the states? Absolutely it's about what are you doing for your Soldiers the Army and how you stand out from your peers. Imagine me and you are the same MOS with the same time in service I have 2 deployments and that's about it, but you have none but have a degree, Drill Sergeant or any other broadening assigment and inducted into the Sergeant Audy Murphy Club. Who do you think has the upper hand? Bottom line most of us don't care if you have deployed or not at least not me. I could make an argument since I am a former Drill Sergeant that NCOs that are not Drill Sergeant qualify are not as good as I am, this not only would be unfair but it will be counter productive for the NCOs on my team. Bottom line do what you can to be the best at what you do and don't worry about what other say as they won't sit on that promotion board.
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Deployment should not be a showstopper. It is about the "total Soldier concept". 5-7 years ago deployments played a major factor; however, with OEF dwindling down...what next? Promotions should be based on how effectively you can do your job. How you train and lead Soldiers and how you separate yourself from the rest.
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SFC Stephen Hester
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A "combat patch" is just an indicator that you deployed whether you spent all your time outside the wire or inside the chow hall. Duty performance in a deployed theater of operations will count for something but it's not the only thing. Being a top performer in your assigned duty positions is what will determine your future in the Army, not a patch.
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SFC Military Police
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I know many piss poor leaders that have deployment patches, they are not an indication of leadership ability nor dedication to the service.
In saying that you have to understand that it may be looked upon negatively since the war went on for roughly 12 years. I know a former MSG that was upset because he was not selected for SGM and passed up by peers and subordinates but he had never deployed in a leadership position and that's what they were looking for.
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SFC Douglas Eshenbaugh
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The following is an Analysis of the FY14 Gen Engineer SFC board

The following is an attribute breakdown of those selected for SFC:
1. 100% of selectees had Section Sergeant time
averaging 30.4 months
2. 46% of selectees had Platoon Sergeant time
averaging 14.8 months
3. 98% population had completed some college
the overall average numbers of college credits earned was 68.9
23% had earned an Associate’s Degree
11% had earned a Bachelor Degree
0% had earned a Master Degree
10. The average selectee had 26.4 months of deployed (combat operations) time
100% had combat service
as little as 9 months in a combat theater
as many as 55 months in a combat theater

The fact is for the Engineer Regiment as it stands now a combat tour is mandatory for promotion. There maybe that special snowflake scenario where you can get promoted as an Engineer without combat time but I wouldn't tell my guys to count on it.
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