Posted on Apr 4, 2017
Does it matter which degree I should pursue when applying to Navy OCS (Org Leadership BA or Intelligence Studies BA) for an Intel position?
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My recommendation is to get "A" degree regardless of the title/content. In aviation there are a lot of folks that believe going to Embry Riddle is the best as it is an aviation school, but it has nothing really to do with flying and more about management and other things. I went to a State school and got a Public Management degree which really assisted me in the ins and outs of government and non-profit. Promotions have been the same and in a position better suited post retirement in my mind. Just get the degree as improving one's knowledge and position can not be overstated enough. Good luck!
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Thanks Warrant, that's been the track I'm thinking of taking. I can always go back for more classes.
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As a very recently commissioned OCS SWO, Im good friends with a few in the Intel community. My hatchmate was IW. While, I know two other guys quite well that are Intel. My hatchmate got a degree from Berkeley in Mathematics. The first Intel guy had a degree from Princeton in computer science. The other guy got a degree from some small state university in finance. Now, the degree really does matter. But, in my personal opinion, not quite as much as your GPA, extracurricular activities, and most of all, Leadership experience! There's no one stop shop degree for a guaranteed selection into the community. Many factors are considered by the community boards that select candidates. All the way down to availability, the motivational statements you include in your OCS package, and many other things. In my personal experience with the overall selection process and how the gears of it move, I would recommend Intelligence Studies if those are your only two options. But I know many many different degrees in all of the communities. In my community specifically, I know people with English, French, Math, Engineering, Biology, and many other degrees. Myself, I have a Forensic Biology degree. Arguably not relative at all to the skill set required to be a SWO. But after all, it's probably the easiest community to get into due to the lingering retention rate.
So going back to the beginning, I would say that your extracurricular activities, and most importantly your references and leadership experience you can claim, really affect you as well. Hopefully this helps. Good on you for going after it though, I really respect the initiative. Since you're a prior, I would say that definitely helps too if you have good recommendations from your past DH's, XO's and CO's. There was a prior in my class that had applied 15 times to OCS before getting accepted on the 16th try. So don't give up. It's absolutely worth it, and I'm sure you know that much better than I do, having more experience in the fleet than I!
So going back to the beginning, I would say that your extracurricular activities, and most importantly your references and leadership experience you can claim, really affect you as well. Hopefully this helps. Good on you for going after it though, I really respect the initiative. Since you're a prior, I would say that definitely helps too if you have good recommendations from your past DH's, XO's and CO's. There was a prior in my class that had applied 15 times to OCS before getting accepted on the 16th try. So don't give up. It's absolutely worth it, and I'm sure you know that much better than I do, having more experience in the fleet than I!
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Sir,
Thanks for the info, really helps.
Thats been the sentiment I've heard from most people, its a combination of multiple factors.
I know we can apply monthly, so I'll be dropping them as soon as I finish up my degree.
Thanks for the info, really helps.
Thats been the sentiment I've heard from most people, its a combination of multiple factors.
I know we can apply monthly, so I'll be dropping them as soon as I finish up my degree.
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PO1 (Join to see) You want to put yourself in the best position. I would go for a preferred degree per the link below: BA/BS in International Relations, Political Science, Gov’t, Engineering, Physical or Natural Science, and Comp. Science.
https://www.thebalance.com/navy-commissioned-officer-intel-3356594
https://www.thebalance.com/navy-commissioned-officer-intel-3356594
Navy Commissioned Officer (INTEL) Job Description
Job descriptions and qualification factors for Navy Commissioned Officer Job Designators -- INTELLIGENCE (INTEL)
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That's my big worry, if I go for the quicker degree, I might be out in the long term because I have to go back.
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Doesn't matter what degree you get, all you need is a 4 year degree to be an officer.
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Some additional info,
I'm a navy Intel Specialist (3912 & 3924) with 6.5 years in, and my goal is to cross into the dark side via OCS or LDO.
I currently don't hold a degree, but I've narrowed it down to two colleges, two degrees:
American Military University BA Intelligence Studies - I need 25/26 classes to complete the degree (2.5 years)
University of Charleston BA Organizational Leadership - Only need 14 classes to finish (1.5 years)
I understand the manual says they like to see specific type of degrees such as political science etc, but I know a few 1830's with other Bachelor's of Arts degrees. I've heard both ends of the spectrum from "it doesn't matter what degree" to "only the preferred degrees".
I don't know if I take the gamble on the shorter route, or stick with the longer degree. Thanks for any advice!
I'm a navy Intel Specialist (3912 & 3924) with 6.5 years in, and my goal is to cross into the dark side via OCS or LDO.
I currently don't hold a degree, but I've narrowed it down to two colleges, two degrees:
American Military University BA Intelligence Studies - I need 25/26 classes to complete the degree (2.5 years)
University of Charleston BA Organizational Leadership - Only need 14 classes to finish (1.5 years)
I understand the manual says they like to see specific type of degrees such as political science etc, but I know a few 1830's with other Bachelor's of Arts degrees. I've heard both ends of the spectrum from "it doesn't matter what degree" to "only the preferred degrees".
I don't know if I take the gamble on the shorter route, or stick with the longer degree. Thanks for any advice!
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What degree does your SIO or DIVO have? I think with your prior enlisted experience, a BA in Organizational Leadership will serve you just fine.
I tend to advise people to stay away from the Intel Studies degrees because it pigeonholes you, unless of course you have an interest in staying a defense contractor one day. Of my 2 DIVOs that I can remember, one had an Electrical Engineering degree from the Academy and the other was prior Army enlisted and he got his degree in Russian Studies. So, it varies.
Hell, LDOs don't even need a bachelor's degree, unless something has changed. I think the recommendations portion and strong evals that demonstrate consistent improvement and performance will weigh more than what type of degree you have (as long as it isn't a theater degree).
I tend to advise people to stay away from the Intel Studies degrees because it pigeonholes you, unless of course you have an interest in staying a defense contractor one day. Of my 2 DIVOs that I can remember, one had an Electrical Engineering degree from the Academy and the other was prior Army enlisted and he got his degree in Russian Studies. So, it varies.
Hell, LDOs don't even need a bachelor's degree, unless something has changed. I think the recommendations portion and strong evals that demonstrate consistent improvement and performance will weigh more than what type of degree you have (as long as it isn't a theater degree).
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PO1 (Join to see) - I'm not exactly sure as hes out right now, but its in something like social services. I know its not one of the preferred degrees though.
My goal is really just to get into the Officer position, and Intel has been my specialty so I figure that's my path of least resistance.
My first choice is LDO, but my backup plan is the OCS route. I've heard from quite a few LDO/CWO that what the degree is in doesn't make much difference, more on the evals/quals etc. Just the abyss of OCS requirements escapes me. I'm headed to the schoolhouse for my next orders, maybe I'll just ask all the new ensigns what degrees they have.
Thanks!
My goal is really just to get into the Officer position, and Intel has been my specialty so I figure that's my path of least resistance.
My first choice is LDO, but my backup plan is the OCS route. I've heard from quite a few LDO/CWO that what the degree is in doesn't make much difference, more on the evals/quals etc. Just the abyss of OCS requirements escapes me. I'm headed to the schoolhouse for my next orders, maybe I'll just ask all the new ensigns what degrees they have.
Thanks!
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Just found this post you made, and I find myself in the same boat, IS / 3924
How's your progress?
I'm currently deciding on what degree to pursue after my mobilization this year, then planning to become an Intel Officer.
How's your progress?
I'm currently deciding on what degree to pursue after my mobilization this year, then planning to become an Intel Officer.
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PO2 (Join to see) - I'm almost done with the Organizational Leadership Degree from University of Charleston.
Only need 15 classes to go from 0 classes to bachelors degree. Only credits I had were 3912, 3924, NITC, and IW & EXW on my JST.
I'm taking American Litterature now and take the University Capstone 1st half of the Summer semester. Has been a great experience overall. The concentration classes are awesome.
Only need 15 classes to go from 0 classes to bachelors degree. Only credits I had were 3912, 3924, NITC, and IW & EXW on my JST.
I'm taking American Litterature now and take the University Capstone 1st half of the Summer semester. Has been a great experience overall. The concentration classes are awesome.
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