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I started as a PFC and I am now a LTC. The perceived privileges always seem just out of reach. Once there was a club for Em, NCO, and Officers. When I was enlisted, Officers had much better options for quarters. Every time I get promoted, it's always the next higher rank that "has privileged berthing. The good news is, having served as a Private, I am ok with a canvas roof over my head. There was also separate Dining Facilities. But this strikes me as curious. It could be that these "privileges" only exist on Active Duty and since the large majority of my years have been spent in the Reserve Components, I don't see it. Are my observations incorrect?
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In my experience it's related to responsibility and privileges go hand and hand. The more responsibility the more privileges are earned. Also, people don't realize most officers work on staff than command. It is often forgotten that officers don't go from platoon leader to company commander to battalion commander to brigade commander to division commander. It is often multiple years of battalion staff to brigade staff to division staff to echelons above reality staff given brief breaks for command. So it is real the grass is always greener on the other side. I've always told enlisted soldiers never become an officer for the pay raise. The price/responsibility for the privileges aren't always worth the cost.
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CDR William Kempner
Sage comment. I will have been an officer for forty years this Thursday-line officer in USAF and USN-a rare bird. MUCH has changed-some things for better -other things for the worse. The privileges usually aren't worth the cost, and if you don't really have the call, or love the work, it will show. I think the advent of all hands clubs were/are a mistake, but again, it reflects the society. I like your comment re: 'the pay raise". I saw it a lot in USAF when I was a very young officer. Guys would get degrees in "underwater basket weaving", and get a commission, when they really didn't have the skills/judgment, even the MINDSET to become officers. They had good technical skills, but were worthless outside of their own environment. (A great argument for USAF to have warrant officers/LDOS but that is another story.) Lastly regarding the pay raise, it reminds me of the old Scottish proverb: "Never marry for money-you can borrow it cheaper!!"
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RHIP...interesting responses. When I was enlisted I like most saw some privileged differences as one rose up the ranks, maybe more evident aboard ship. As an junior officer the differences were a bit more subtle but again as one rose through the ranks a bit more evident.
I think RHIP has some merit but ultimately directly tied to the responsibility of the service member. The more senior I became the more responsibility, longer hours, greater accountability, and the expectations are always pushing you forward to meet the mission.
We certainly live in a different culture and no doubt each service RHIP lives but at different levels with regards to quality of life. As for me, I try not to let it affect me and I take it in stride all the while not forgetting my roots as a Mustang and making sure my troops are well taken care of.
I suppose the culture of RHIP has it's perks albeit service and rank specific. Interesting topic.
I think RHIP has some merit but ultimately directly tied to the responsibility of the service member. The more senior I became the more responsibility, longer hours, greater accountability, and the expectations are always pushing you forward to meet the mission.
We certainly live in a different culture and no doubt each service RHIP lives but at different levels with regards to quality of life. As for me, I try not to let it affect me and I take it in stride all the while not forgetting my roots as a Mustang and making sure my troops are well taken care of.
I suppose the culture of RHIP has it's perks albeit service and rank specific. Interesting topic.
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I suffered from the same thing that you did, LTC (Join to see)! When I went to BCT and beyond in OCT69, we still performed many details, one of the worst being KP. There was one job though that was coveted by everyone called Dining Room Orderly (DRO). All you had to do was bring trays of food to officers sitting in the separate officers' dining area. Needless to say, I never got to be DRO! By the time I was commissioned in JUN73, the DRO function had been eliminated, and I had to get my own tray!
I found another phenomenon occurred as I got promoted also. The entire time I was a major (but for one assignment) and a lieutenant colonel, I was always in two star commands and one DOD (joint) bureaucratic organization headed by a civilian and a three star. In each instance, majors and lieutenant colonels were a dime a dozen, and I was just one of the guys. Might as well have been a private!
I do believe that RHIP does exist to a greater degree in the Navy than anywhere else, but I could be wrong.
I found another phenomenon occurred as I got promoted also. The entire time I was a major (but for one assignment) and a lieutenant colonel, I was always in two star commands and one DOD (joint) bureaucratic organization headed by a civilian and a three star. In each instance, majors and lieutenant colonels were a dime a dozen, and I was just one of the guys. Might as well have been a private!
I do believe that RHIP does exist to a greater degree in the Navy than anywhere else, but I could be wrong.
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MAJ Ronnie Reams
DRO was my job as KP. In my unit the first arriving KPs got to pick their job. So I always got up about 1/2 hour before CQ came to wake us. In my case it was serve the NCOs and keep their area clean and their coffee pots full. Officers ate at the OOM or their quarters. In the field Os had a tent and officers' mess kit, food served family style. Second cook was in charge of this in my unit.
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CSM Charles Hayden Passed 7/29/2025
LTC Stephen C. DRO? It is late!, I’ll be careful! Early on, discovering that the early bird get the choice; I learned that “Trays” were the best position when on KP! Hot Water - a lot of Soap and NO slippery trays was the way to an easy Day!
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I can not answer for today's military, but, I can say without a doubt that I was reated differently as I achieved rank.
I can also say that I experienced more negatives as an officer on an Army post than as an enlisted person on an Air Force Base.
I can also say that I experienced more negatives as an officer on an Army post than as an enlisted person on an Air Force Base.
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I served from 73 to 06 and also felt the perks were disappearing just ahead of promotion but looking back, many old traditions disappear such as officers field mess kits, separate eating tables, separate quarters and others but having served from E1 to O-6, these changes were inevitable due to the other drastic changes in military structure. Having worked with several branches it is noted that some privileges disappear in some before others. Working with the Marines over seas only O-6s got hard roofs. Now my wife and I travel with a CB Master Chief and his wife so we get to best of everything. God Bless America and all her Airmen, Sailors, Soldiers, Marines and Coasties.
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I know this post is 4 years old but would like to respond. The only "privileges" I see are the ones at the PX or Commissary. Being separate in the Dining Facility isn't a "privilege." It is keeping the Leaders from fraternizing with the troops. That is how I see it.
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In 1974, Camp Lejeune NC had a beach for only officers, we from the 82nd were asked to leave due to there were enlisted on the beach.
Our battalion was there for war games with the marines, when asked to move off the beach, the battalion CO had UH1's pick us off the beach. It was a site to see with solders loading UH1"s in swimming shorts. Lol
Our battalion was there for war games with the marines, when asked to move off the beach, the battalion CO had UH1's pick us off the beach. It was a site to see with solders loading UH1"s in swimming shorts. Lol
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I went from captain to warrant and was immediately struck with how WO was treated differently. Having been enlisted as well it was easy to adjust. As a W5 In Iraq it was hit or miss. Bottom line you make the best of what you got and move on. It’s the army not the Air Force
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With higher rank comes increased privileges but also increased responsibilities. As Soldiers progress through the ranks, whether it be officer or enlisted, they should be rewarded with better pay, quarters, etc. This is a crucial retention function. If you and your families lives did not improve, then the most would vote with their feet. This becomes critical during frequent deployments, as Soldiers and their families need quality time and space. You need to care for everyone, at every level, but removing incentives to stay in is counterproductive.
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LTC (Join to see) Priviledges are in the eyes of the beholder. W/o some privilege to aspire to ---. Before basic, I was privileged to go to the head of the chow line! That was because I had seniority, 3 days in the Army and had laundered my HBT fatigues in the mop sink!
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