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Some have criticized the Army as having too much "flair" on their uniforms. Other people are upset that certain schools don't constitute a badge or tab. What are your opinions on this? For example why is there no SNIPER or RECON tab? Or why would there be Rigger or EOD badges when they simply signify MOS?
Posted >1 y ago
Responses: 27
To be honest we are adding far too many badges and patches. I read about how NCOES instructors are going to get their own badge. Where are some going to put it. I recall being in awe when I simply saw a CIB and wings. Now we have more and more patches and badges. A jungle tab? Maybe a bit much.
A while ago I saw a soldier with a CBRN patch. I asked them as I didn't know what it meant. After learning what it meant I asked what was going on in the area. They looked stunned. I asked them why would you wear a patch to identify yourself when not in the official capacity of performing the duties. They didn't have an answer. I see the MP patch in the same like. Why not just make a branch insignia to go with their rank like the navy. It would make more sense.
A while ago I saw a soldier with a CBRN patch. I asked them as I didn't know what it meant. After learning what it meant I asked what was going on in the area. They looked stunned. I asked them why would you wear a patch to identify yourself when not in the official capacity of performing the duties. They didn't have an answer. I see the MP patch in the same like. Why not just make a branch insignia to go with their rank like the navy. It would make more sense.
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SSG Maurice P.
be like the marine corps no patches and if you wear a badge you earned it 100%
no medal for hand grenade come on ............................
no medal for hand grenade come on ............................
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SSG Maurice P. I agree with you. When I see a hand grenade badge I just ask them if they are serious about wearing that. I am glad officers don't even wear them. I will never have to mess with that again.
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Another unwritten purpose of the EOD badge and EOD brassard besides denoting a special skill set is identifying the subject matter expert in the midst of a chaotic post blast or IED scene. An on scene commander or law enforcement official wants the expert input on the situation from those who have the best knowledge. That commander or official must be able to differentiate between the SME and the guy driving the truck who saw Bruce Willis do that thing in that movie to that bomb device. Just my humble input and perspective.
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True if you are talking about a stolen Valor case, but an EOD Tech who wears the badge earned it, and has had training on the subject and will not likely make up a BS answer not based on the latest intelligence available. "Expert" may he a strong word as all fields can improve their knowledge base through continously researching and reading. But my point I believe you missed is that those who wear the EOD badge is going to produce the best answer for the subject they serve.
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I do not believe there are too many badges or awards and that Soldiers, Sailors, Airmen, Marines, Coast Guard, Reserve and Natl Guard, as long as they are worn correctly and with Honor. If someone is wearing 1 badge or award that they did NOT earn, then even one is too many.
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</font><p style="margin: 0in 0in 10pt;"><font color="#000000" face="Times New Roman" size="3">I think that every branch of the army should be able to wear
the correctly associated cord and insignia backings just the same as the
infantry. <span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>If you look at the history of
these devices the infantry was the only one that retained the ability to wear
them but they use to be worn by all branches.</font></p><font color="#000000" face="Times New Roman" size="3">
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</font><p style="margin: 0in 0in 10pt;"><font color="#000000" face="Times New Roman" size="3">I think that every branch of the army should be able to wear
the correctly associated cord and insignia backings just the same as the
infantry. <span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>If you look at the history of
these devices the infantry was the only one that retained the ability to wear
them but they use to be worn by all branches.</font></p><font color="#000000" face="Times New Roman" size="3">
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SSG(P) Auston Terry
I disagree, the Army keeps creating things to make the Infantry stand out in garrison and then giving it to everyone else. Let them have thier disks and cord.
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CSM Charles Hayden
"Back when", overseas caps carried a small cord on the edges denoting your branch. Signal was Orange n ? White. 11B was Robin's Egg Blue.
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I'm in the Army Watercraft field, it's a very small MOS and every now and again people talk about how there should be a "waterborne" tab.
I don't agree on a tab but a badge seems ok to me, and I can tell you that when I re-classed into the waterborne field it was the first time in the army that the testing for the classes weren't open book. there is a lot of information to retain in-order to get the MOS. And we have to go back to school for 20/30/40 skill levels unlike most every MOS in the Army.
But considering its a transportation MOS I don't ever see there being a tab or badge for it.
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SSG Genaro Negrete
I started my career in the "waterborne" field. The talk of a tab was always around. I actually thought going back to a technical school at every skill level (20/30/40) was an Army standard. I'm a medic now, and strongly believe promotion should involved a higher level certification.
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I believe badges are awarded for Rigger and such courses to not only help build individual pride and moral but also as a way to display expertise. EOD, like Airborne badges, show levels of proficiency - Basic, Senior, and Master.
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I've always felt it was a numbers thing. A lot of the badge/tab producing schools and MOS's tend to be difficult or in high demand, so chest candy was just another way to recruit or motivate people to head toward these areas.
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The Army uniform looks like a lighted Christmas tree! I'm biased having moved from the Marine Corps to the Army, but all the junk on the Army uniform is embarrassing. If they'd limit what can be worn, what is worn would have real meaning.
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I do not agree with MOS defining badges. Saying EOD or a Rigger badge is to identify a SME is saying that all the other MOS' do not require special training and qualification. All MOS' require special training and education. Do we really need to know who is a pilot, or flight surgeon by their uniforms? Most of these MOS' that have special badges already have special other uniform items. Riggers have red hats, EOD have 1 unit patch and a brassard, flight personnel have flight uniforms. Having an extra badge to define the MOS is redundant and creates ideas that some MOS' are "harder" than others.
Sapper, Ranger, SF, and President's Hundred tabs are special qualifications, not MOS defining. Every year there is talk of new headgear for this job, or a tab for this MOS, or this badge. Most of us saw the ridiculousness that came from the CAB. Originally the CCB for the other formally known as Combat Arms jobs that engaged/were engaged by the enemy. But then they had to make it fair to the Combat Support and Combat Service Support.
Special badges should be for specially acquired skills, not something trained in AIT/OSUT. Jumpmaster does not get its own badge, but it is a requirement for the senior and master parachutist badges, the Fister does not need their own badge, even though they are nowhere close to the gunline compared to the rest of the CMF.
I feel that there is too much separation between the MOS' and too many special identifiers for "unspecial" jobs. The Infantry does not need blue cord and discs, Riggers don't need a badge, CBRN does not need a brassard unless there is a threat of attack. Are 88M's and 12N's automatically awarded their Drivers Badges?
Sapper, Ranger, SF, and President's Hundred tabs are special qualifications, not MOS defining. Every year there is talk of new headgear for this job, or a tab for this MOS, or this badge. Most of us saw the ridiculousness that came from the CAB. Originally the CCB for the other formally known as Combat Arms jobs that engaged/were engaged by the enemy. But then they had to make it fair to the Combat Support and Combat Service Support.
Special badges should be for specially acquired skills, not something trained in AIT/OSUT. Jumpmaster does not get its own badge, but it is a requirement for the senior and master parachutist badges, the Fister does not need their own badge, even though they are nowhere close to the gunline compared to the rest of the CMF.
I feel that there is too much separation between the MOS' and too many special identifiers for "unspecial" jobs. The Infantry does not need blue cord and discs, Riggers don't need a badge, CBRN does not need a brassard unless there is a threat of attack. Are 88M's and 12N's automatically awarded their Drivers Badges?
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