Posted on Dec 8, 2015
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Republican presidential front-runner Donald Trump called Monday for barring all Muslims from entering the United States.
"Donald J. Trump is calling for a total and complete shutdown of Muslims entering the United States until our country's representatives can figure out what is going on," a campaign press release said.
Trump, who has previously called for surveillance against mosques and said he was open to establishing a database for all Muslims living in the U.S., made his latest controversial call in a news release. His message comes in the wake of a deadly mass shooting in San Bernardino, California, by suspected ISIS sympathizers and the day after President Barack Obama asked the country not to "turn against one another" out of fear.
Trump's comments are likely to roil the Republican presidential race, forcing many of his opponents for the nomination to engage in a debate over whether there should be a religious test to enter America.
But his proposal was met with enthusiasm by many of his supporters, who showed their approval via social media as well as at his rally on Monday night.
"I think that we should definitely disallow any Muslims from coming in. Any of them. The reason is simple: we can't identify what their attitude is," said 75-year-old Charlie Marzka of Myrtle Beach, South Carolina.
Moreover, the Muslim travel ban will likely do little to dent Trump's own popularity among Republican primary voters. The billionaire businessman has dominated the GOP contest for months despite repeated controversies that would likely sink other White House hopefuls.
"Without looking at the various polling data, it is obvious to anybody the hatred is beyond comprehension. Where this hatred comes from and why we will have to determine," Trump said in a statement. "Until we are able to determine and understand this problem and the dangerous threat it poses, our country cannot be the victims of horrendous attacks by people that believe only in Jihad, and have no sense of reason or respect for human life."
Trump's campaign added in the release that such a ban should remain in effect "until our country's representatives can figure out what is going on."
The release pointed to an online poll from the controversial Center for Security Policy, which claimed that a quarter of Muslims living in the U.S. believe violence against Americans is justified as part of a global jihadist campaign. Critics have questioned the reliability of the organization's information. It also pointed to a Pew Research poll, which the campaign declined to identify, which the campaign claimed points to "great hatred towards Americans by large segments of the Muslim population."
Trump campaign manager Corey Lewandowski told CNN on Monday that the ban would apply not just to Muslim foreigners looking to immigrate to the U.S., but also to Muslims looking to visit the U.S. as tourists.
"Everyone," Lewandowski said when asked if the ban would also apply to Muslim tourists.
"Great surveillance and vigilance must be adhered to," said Trump in an additional statement Lewandowski provided to CNN. "We want to be very fair but too many bad things are happening and the percentage of true hatred is too great. People that are looking to destroy our country must be reported and turned in by the good people who love our country and want America to be great again."
Trump confirmed that his policy would not apply to current Muslims in the U.S. during a Fox News interview on Monday evening.
"I have Muslim friends, Greta, and they're wonderful people. But there's a tremendous section and cross-section of Muslims living in our country who have tremendous animosity," he told Fox News anchor Greta Van Susteren. "It does not apply to people living in the country, except we have to be vigilant."
Obama administration condemns proposal
Obama's deputy national security adviser Ben Rhodes reacted to Trump's call Monday on CNN, calling it "totally contrary to our values as Americans" and pointed to the Bill of Rights' protection of freedom of religion and pointing to the "extraordinary contributions" Muslim Americans have made to the U.S.
"But it's also contrary to our security," Rhodes told CNN's Wolf Blitzer on "The Situation Room." "The fact of the matter is ISIL wants to frame this as a war between the United States and Islam, and if we look like we're applying religious tests to who comes into this country, we're sending a message that essentially we're embracing that frame and that is going to make it very difficult to partner with Muslim communities here in the United States and around the world to prevent the scourge of radicalization that we should be focused on."
"We should make it harder for ISIL to portray this as a war between the United States and Islam, not easier," Rhodes added, using another acronym for ISIS, the radical Islamist group that controls swaths of Syria and Iraq and has called for terror attacks against the U.S.
Trump has beat back criticism in recent weeks that he is bigoted against Muslims, even telling CNN on Saturday when asked whether Muslims pose a danger to the U.S. that he thinks Muslims "are great people."
"I love the Muslims. I think they're great people," Trump told CNN in September.
And when he became tied to the idea of creating a database of all Muslims living in the U.S., Trump sought to distance himself from that proposal -- insisting that the idea was a reporter's and he was not committed to it.
Homeland Security Secretary Jeh Johnson, speaking to members of the Muslim community earlier in the afternoon, echoed the President's sentiment on Sunday warning against divisiveness.
"Bitterness grows out of hopelessness, and there is no hopelessness in this situation, however uncomfortable and menacing it may be at times," he said. "Faith in the ultimate strength of the democratic philosophy and code of the Nation as a whole has always been stronger than the impulse to despair"
Republicans react
It didn't take long for the rest of the Republican presidential primary field to repudiate Trump's call.
New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie slammed Trump's proposal in a radio interview.
"This is the kind of thing that people say when they have no experience and don't know what they are talking about. We do not need to resort to that type of activity nor should we," Christie said on the Michael Medved radio show. "What we need to do is to increase our intelligence activities. We need to cooperate with peaceful Muslim Americans who want to give us intelligence against those who are radicalized."
And South Carolina Sen. Lindsey Graham called on every presidential candidate to "do the right thing & condemn @Realdonaldtrump's statement."
Graham later told CNN that Trump's rhetoric "is putting our troops serving abroad and our diplomats at risk."
"For interpreters and others risking their lives abroad to help America -- this is a death sentence," Graham said.
Graham just returned from a trip to visit troops in the Middle East and said from troops and allies there expressed concerns over Trump's rhetoric.
Graham said he assured them that Trump is in the minority, but Graham said Monday Trump's latest proposal makes it harder to convince them of that.
Another GOP presidential contender, Texas Sen. Ted Cruz, said, "That is not my policy."
"I have introduced legislation in the Senate that would put in place a three year moratorium on refugees coming from countries where ISIS or al Qaeda control a substantial amount of territory. And the reason is that is where the threat is coming from," Cruz said as he was leaving a South Carolina field office.
In a statement, Ohio Gov. John Kasich said, "This is just more of the outrageous divisiveness that characterizes his every breath and another reason why he is entirely unsuited to lead the United States."
And former Florida Gov. Jeb Bush tweeted that Trump is "unhinged."
"Donald Trump is unhinged. His "policy" proposals are not serious," he said.
Former neurosurgeon Ben Carson also said is opposed to placing a religious test on U.S. visitors.
"Everyone visiting our country should register and be monitored during their stay as is done in many countries. I do not and would not advocate being selective on one's religion," he said in a statement.
Kentucky Sen. Rand Paul's campaign did not explicitly refute Trump's proposal.
"Sen. Rand Paul has led on the issue of border security, proposing real solutions. That's why earlier this month he introduced legislation to block visitors and immigrants from nations with known radical elements while a new system is developed to screen properly," said Sergio Gor, Paul's communications director, in a statement.
Former tech CEO Carly Fiorina said Trump's "overreaction" is as bad as Obama's "under reaction."
"President Obama isn't prepared to do anything, which is clearly foolish, but Donald Trump always plays on everyone's worst instincts and fears. And saying we're not going to let a single Muslim into this country is a dangerous overreaction," she said during a gaggle with reporters in Waterloo, Iowa.
Florida Sen. Marco Rubio said he disagrees with Trump.
"(Trump's) habit of making offensive and outlandish statements will not bring Americans together. The next president better be somebody who can unite our country to face the great challenges of the 21st Century," he said in a statement.
Former Virginia Gov. Jim Gilmore tweeted, "Trump's fascist talk drives all minorities from GOP."
And former Vice President Dick Cheney, speaking with conservative radio host Hugh Hewitt, said such a policy goes against the spirit of America.
"This whole notion that somehow we can just say no more Muslims, just ban a whole religion, goes against everything we stand for and believe in," he said. "I mean, religious freedom has been a very important part of our history and where we came from."
Democrats slam Trump
Democrats were quick to condemn Trump's call, with two of the three Democratic presidential candidates calling Trump a "demagogue."
".@realdonaldtrump removes all doubt: he is running for President as a fascist demagogue," tweeted Democratic presidential candidate Martin O'Malley, the former governor of Maryland.
Sen. Bernie Sanders of Vermont also slammed Trump as a demagogue and suggested Trump's rhetoric would make the U.S. weaker.
"Demagogues throughout our history have attempted to divide us based on race, gender, sexual orientation or country of origin. Now, Trump and others want us to hate all Muslims. The United States is a great nation when we stand together. We are a weak nation when we allow racism and xenophobia to divide us," Sanders said in a statement.
Democratic front-runner Hillary Clinton, in a signed message, tweeted, "This is reprehensible, prejudiced and divisive. @RealDonaldTrump, you don't get it. This makes us less safe. -H"
And the Democratic National Committee sought to align the GOP as a whole alongside Trump.
"Donald Trump is indeed a 'net positive' for the Republican Party -- as their chairman called him -- because he shows America what the Republican Party really stands for with his rhetoric that only helps enemies like ISIL/Daesh to recruit extremists," said DNC spokeswoman Christina Freundlich.
Trump's call for a shutdown of Muslim immigration in the U.S. came hours before he was set to speak aboard the U.S.S. Yorktown, a World War II era ship parked near Charleston, South Carolina.
http://www.cnn.com/2015/12/07/politics/donald-trump-muslim-ban-immigration/
Republican presidential front-runner Donald Trump called Monday for barring all Muslims from entering the United States.
"Donald J. Trump is calling for a total and complete shutdown of Muslims entering the United States until our country's representatives can figure out what is going on," a campaign press release said.
Trump, who has previously called for surveillance against mosques and said he was open to establishing a database for all Muslims living in the U.S., made his latest controversial call in a news release. His message comes in the wake of a deadly mass shooting in San Bernardino, California, by suspected ISIS sympathizers and the day after President Barack Obama asked the country not to "turn against one another" out of fear.
Trump's comments are likely to roil the Republican presidential race, forcing many of his opponents for the nomination to engage in a debate over whether there should be a religious test to enter America.
But his proposal was met with enthusiasm by many of his supporters, who showed their approval via social media as well as at his rally on Monday night.
"I think that we should definitely disallow any Muslims from coming in. Any of them. The reason is simple: we can't identify what their attitude is," said 75-year-old Charlie Marzka of Myrtle Beach, South Carolina.
Moreover, the Muslim travel ban will likely do little to dent Trump's own popularity among Republican primary voters. The billionaire businessman has dominated the GOP contest for months despite repeated controversies that would likely sink other White House hopefuls.
"Without looking at the various polling data, it is obvious to anybody the hatred is beyond comprehension. Where this hatred comes from and why we will have to determine," Trump said in a statement. "Until we are able to determine and understand this problem and the dangerous threat it poses, our country cannot be the victims of horrendous attacks by people that believe only in Jihad, and have no sense of reason or respect for human life."
Trump's campaign added in the release that such a ban should remain in effect "until our country's representatives can figure out what is going on."
The release pointed to an online poll from the controversial Center for Security Policy, which claimed that a quarter of Muslims living in the U.S. believe violence against Americans is justified as part of a global jihadist campaign. Critics have questioned the reliability of the organization's information. It also pointed to a Pew Research poll, which the campaign declined to identify, which the campaign claimed points to "great hatred towards Americans by large segments of the Muslim population."
Trump campaign manager Corey Lewandowski told CNN on Monday that the ban would apply not just to Muslim foreigners looking to immigrate to the U.S., but also to Muslims looking to visit the U.S. as tourists.
"Everyone," Lewandowski said when asked if the ban would also apply to Muslim tourists.
"Great surveillance and vigilance must be adhered to," said Trump in an additional statement Lewandowski provided to CNN. "We want to be very fair but too many bad things are happening and the percentage of true hatred is too great. People that are looking to destroy our country must be reported and turned in by the good people who love our country and want America to be great again."
Trump confirmed that his policy would not apply to current Muslims in the U.S. during a Fox News interview on Monday evening.
"I have Muslim friends, Greta, and they're wonderful people. But there's a tremendous section and cross-section of Muslims living in our country who have tremendous animosity," he told Fox News anchor Greta Van Susteren. "It does not apply to people living in the country, except we have to be vigilant."
Obama administration condemns proposal
Obama's deputy national security adviser Ben Rhodes reacted to Trump's call Monday on CNN, calling it "totally contrary to our values as Americans" and pointed to the Bill of Rights' protection of freedom of religion and pointing to the "extraordinary contributions" Muslim Americans have made to the U.S.
"But it's also contrary to our security," Rhodes told CNN's Wolf Blitzer on "The Situation Room." "The fact of the matter is ISIL wants to frame this as a war between the United States and Islam, and if we look like we're applying religious tests to who comes into this country, we're sending a message that essentially we're embracing that frame and that is going to make it very difficult to partner with Muslim communities here in the United States and around the world to prevent the scourge of radicalization that we should be focused on."
"We should make it harder for ISIL to portray this as a war between the United States and Islam, not easier," Rhodes added, using another acronym for ISIS, the radical Islamist group that controls swaths of Syria and Iraq and has called for terror attacks against the U.S.
Trump has beat back criticism in recent weeks that he is bigoted against Muslims, even telling CNN on Saturday when asked whether Muslims pose a danger to the U.S. that he thinks Muslims "are great people."
"I love the Muslims. I think they're great people," Trump told CNN in September.
And when he became tied to the idea of creating a database of all Muslims living in the U.S., Trump sought to distance himself from that proposal -- insisting that the idea was a reporter's and he was not committed to it.
Homeland Security Secretary Jeh Johnson, speaking to members of the Muslim community earlier in the afternoon, echoed the President's sentiment on Sunday warning against divisiveness.
"Bitterness grows out of hopelessness, and there is no hopelessness in this situation, however uncomfortable and menacing it may be at times," he said. "Faith in the ultimate strength of the democratic philosophy and code of the Nation as a whole has always been stronger than the impulse to despair"
Republicans react
It didn't take long for the rest of the Republican presidential primary field to repudiate Trump's call.
New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie slammed Trump's proposal in a radio interview.
"This is the kind of thing that people say when they have no experience and don't know what they are talking about. We do not need to resort to that type of activity nor should we," Christie said on the Michael Medved radio show. "What we need to do is to increase our intelligence activities. We need to cooperate with peaceful Muslim Americans who want to give us intelligence against those who are radicalized."
And South Carolina Sen. Lindsey Graham called on every presidential candidate to "do the right thing & condemn @Realdonaldtrump's statement."
Graham later told CNN that Trump's rhetoric "is putting our troops serving abroad and our diplomats at risk."
"For interpreters and others risking their lives abroad to help America -- this is a death sentence," Graham said.
Graham just returned from a trip to visit troops in the Middle East and said from troops and allies there expressed concerns over Trump's rhetoric.
Graham said he assured them that Trump is in the minority, but Graham said Monday Trump's latest proposal makes it harder to convince them of that.
Another GOP presidential contender, Texas Sen. Ted Cruz, said, "That is not my policy."
"I have introduced legislation in the Senate that would put in place a three year moratorium on refugees coming from countries where ISIS or al Qaeda control a substantial amount of territory. And the reason is that is where the threat is coming from," Cruz said as he was leaving a South Carolina field office.
In a statement, Ohio Gov. John Kasich said, "This is just more of the outrageous divisiveness that characterizes his every breath and another reason why he is entirely unsuited to lead the United States."
And former Florida Gov. Jeb Bush tweeted that Trump is "unhinged."
"Donald Trump is unhinged. His "policy" proposals are not serious," he said.
Former neurosurgeon Ben Carson also said is opposed to placing a religious test on U.S. visitors.
"Everyone visiting our country should register and be monitored during their stay as is done in many countries. I do not and would not advocate being selective on one's religion," he said in a statement.
Kentucky Sen. Rand Paul's campaign did not explicitly refute Trump's proposal.
"Sen. Rand Paul has led on the issue of border security, proposing real solutions. That's why earlier this month he introduced legislation to block visitors and immigrants from nations with known radical elements while a new system is developed to screen properly," said Sergio Gor, Paul's communications director, in a statement.
Former tech CEO Carly Fiorina said Trump's "overreaction" is as bad as Obama's "under reaction."
"President Obama isn't prepared to do anything, which is clearly foolish, but Donald Trump always plays on everyone's worst instincts and fears. And saying we're not going to let a single Muslim into this country is a dangerous overreaction," she said during a gaggle with reporters in Waterloo, Iowa.
Florida Sen. Marco Rubio said he disagrees with Trump.
"(Trump's) habit of making offensive and outlandish statements will not bring Americans together. The next president better be somebody who can unite our country to face the great challenges of the 21st Century," he said in a statement.
Former Virginia Gov. Jim Gilmore tweeted, "Trump's fascist talk drives all minorities from GOP."
And former Vice President Dick Cheney, speaking with conservative radio host Hugh Hewitt, said such a policy goes against the spirit of America.
"This whole notion that somehow we can just say no more Muslims, just ban a whole religion, goes against everything we stand for and believe in," he said. "I mean, religious freedom has been a very important part of our history and where we came from."
Democrats slam Trump
Democrats were quick to condemn Trump's call, with two of the three Democratic presidential candidates calling Trump a "demagogue."
".@realdonaldtrump removes all doubt: he is running for President as a fascist demagogue," tweeted Democratic presidential candidate Martin O'Malley, the former governor of Maryland.
Sen. Bernie Sanders of Vermont also slammed Trump as a demagogue and suggested Trump's rhetoric would make the U.S. weaker.
"Demagogues throughout our history have attempted to divide us based on race, gender, sexual orientation or country of origin. Now, Trump and others want us to hate all Muslims. The United States is a great nation when we stand together. We are a weak nation when we allow racism and xenophobia to divide us," Sanders said in a statement.
Democratic front-runner Hillary Clinton, in a signed message, tweeted, "This is reprehensible, prejudiced and divisive. @RealDonaldTrump, you don't get it. This makes us less safe. -H"
And the Democratic National Committee sought to align the GOP as a whole alongside Trump.
"Donald Trump is indeed a 'net positive' for the Republican Party -- as their chairman called him -- because he shows America what the Republican Party really stands for with his rhetoric that only helps enemies like ISIL/Daesh to recruit extremists," said DNC spokeswoman Christina Freundlich.
Trump's call for a shutdown of Muslim immigration in the U.S. came hours before he was set to speak aboard the U.S.S. Yorktown, a World War II era ship parked near Charleston, South Carolina.
http://www.cnn.com/2015/12/07/politics/donald-trump-muslim-ban-immigration/
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Hitler didn't want Jews, Trump doesn't want Muslims. Any way you slice it, he's un-American. As a patriot I detest him. Pansies who've never served always talk tough since they aren't.
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PO3 John Wagner
Maj Mike Sciales - Who really gives a shit what the British socialists think, thought, or may think in the future? If we gave a shit what the British thought then you could discuss it over afternoon tea, or perhaps given their overall track record you might be discussing it over Knackwurzt.
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PO3 John Wagner
Maj Mike Sciales - Another thing I really avoid ever doing is questioning a persons mental condition. Since I am neither an attorney or a mental health provider.
Don't worry though. I don't plan to run crying to administration , I am perfectly capable of speaking up for myself.
Don't worry though. I don't plan to run crying to administration , I am perfectly capable of speaking up for myself.
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PO3 John Wagner
Maj Mike Sciales - You don't like being called on the carpet do you Sir?
"Give it a big think" That sounds like something I would have said to one of my children when they weren't getting the point.
You seem to like addressing those who disagree with you as foolish children.
Yet you called me out for pointing out your most obvious inconsistencies.
Arrogance is never a strong suit yet I haven't seen you back off once.
I am always up for a good discussion Sir.
I am like yourself in my opinions. They are strong and generally not too flexible.
Bend a little bit. Address the other individual by respecting or acknowledging some understanding of the logic of their arguements prior to continuing the frontal assault.
"Give it a big think" That sounds like something I would have said to one of my children when they weren't getting the point.
You seem to like addressing those who disagree with you as foolish children.
Yet you called me out for pointing out your most obvious inconsistencies.
Arrogance is never a strong suit yet I haven't seen you back off once.
I am always up for a good discussion Sir.
I am like yourself in my opinions. They are strong and generally not too flexible.
Bend a little bit. Address the other individual by respecting or acknowledging some understanding of the logic of their arguements prior to continuing the frontal assault.
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At least he is looking for ways to be pro-active when dealing with a real dangerous problem that we have here in the US! He's getting his message to the American people and it's good enough to make you guys react.
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SGT Jeremy Reese
The media is like the inflammation on a wound, it only makes it worse. All of the US news is highly biased to whatever spin you can think of.
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Sgt Ryan Rhue
Allowing Refugees into the country, arming terrorist states, honestly i'm still trying to comprehend why Obama is still in the White House. Yes these countries may be willing to "Help" us at the moment, however they will be the first to turn on us. What was Syria's reaction to our presence in Iraq and in our search for Saddam or his constituents. They flat out said if we crossed their boarders they would treat it as an act of war. I am not saying ban them all permanently. However, until things get figured out we should put a complete freeze on it. To hell with these religious jerk offs calling us Islamophobics or Anti-Muslim. The situations is real, the threat is real, and under the current administration they are allowing opportunities to our enemies that would put us at a serious disadvantage.
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Capt Tom Brown
SGT Jeremy Reese - The news media has shed any illusion of being professional, objective, unbiased, non-prejudicial and has come out and taken sides in the political arena in which they use their platform to promote or defame issues which their owners/publishers/staff etc are for or against. This provides millions worth of political advertising for some candidates and misleading, prejudicial, slanted, biased, and outright lies to be printed as both oped and 'news' stories. This is a new and disturbing model for media in this country.
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Example: talking without engaging brain. I'm not for opening the doors and letting just anyone in, but I'm not going to call for locking the doors altogether.
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We have been needing to stop immigration untill we can control our borders and economy. Like we use to. We don't have good paying jobs any more , and yes these immigrants and including the illegals ARE taking over entire lines of work Americans want ! I worked in the LTL Freight business , I would deliver or pick up freight at approx . 20 to 25 businesses a day. Over the years 1979 - 2012. I watched this country loose job after job to foreign country's and to illegal foreign workers , 1 company
called " trader Joe's". Had so many illegals in the warehouse you could not find 1 person who could speak English , they had truck drivers with no class A lic. No green cards no hazmat training , as for these Syrian and others from Islamic Countrys ? yes. Stop it. If we can not control who comes into this country ! We loose control of our country .
Oh and if you don't believe that ? Ask a Native American , ask the Aztec , ( not Mexican) ask the history books about the crusades , that were not strated by Christians trying to take over the world , that was the response to Islamic hordes trying to take over . And don't forget that not only the leaders of CIAR, but the organization it's self was a suspected terror supporter , and any people who come to this country always seem to want us to change to their ways ? Constitutional rights out way their Islamic laws. Period
And Obama will not get his BS back ground check in place to protect us from. ISLAMIC terrorist
That is not fear , just plain common sense , lacking in the Islamacrat party
called " trader Joe's". Had so many illegals in the warehouse you could not find 1 person who could speak English , they had truck drivers with no class A lic. No green cards no hazmat training , as for these Syrian and others from Islamic Countrys ? yes. Stop it. If we can not control who comes into this country ! We loose control of our country .
Oh and if you don't believe that ? Ask a Native American , ask the Aztec , ( not Mexican) ask the history books about the crusades , that were not strated by Christians trying to take over the world , that was the response to Islamic hordes trying to take over . And don't forget that not only the leaders of CIAR, but the organization it's self was a suspected terror supporter , and any people who come to this country always seem to want us to change to their ways ? Constitutional rights out way their Islamic laws. Period
And Obama will not get his BS back ground check in place to protect us from. ISLAMIC terrorist
That is not fear , just plain common sense , lacking in the Islamacrat party
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That looks like a picture of US Citizens. Trump wants to ban muslim immigration. Nice try though.
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Sgt Ryan Rhue
If I was hearing and reading the information correctly he was not trying to permanently ban all Muslims from the United States. His intentions were to put a temporary hold on all Immigrants from that particular background until our Government could sort out the current issues we are having. Major Sciales, Sir with no disrespect intended here, you can not possibly use that photo or have us think of what our ancestors would have thought if this were the case. In my personal situation that was over 200 years ago. The climate was much different then and this threat was not a constant thorn in our backside. We as Military Service members have the knowledge that not all Muslims are bad, not all intentions are malicious in nature. With that being said, during our current situation here at home and over seas we need to be extra vigilant on what we do as to not set our Great Nation up for another fall. You are right, we protect at great personal risk to ourselves without any selfish motive. We do this in the name of freedom for our country and for those who do not understand how real a threat is. Sometimes sacrifices are a necessary evil needed to ensure the safety and prosperity of our freedoms in the United States.
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You know, everyone wants something done; as long as it doesn't offend anyone. But I can't think of anything more offensive than one group of people wanting to kill you, because of the way you practice your religion. It was terrible what we had to do after December 7th 1941; but sometimes had to be done. Right wrong or indifferent, do something.
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SPC Alexander Brandt
It was wrong after Pearl Harbor, and it remains wrong to this day. If it's so easy for us to compromise freedoms to justify security, then why do we even claim to have them?
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MCPO Roger Collins
SPC Alexander Brandt - First, the title of this thread is an outright lie. What he said is a stop until we get our house in order, when we have something like the San Bernardino and people leaving prayer rugs along the path illegals take across our borders, we need to look at our policies.
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What he really said and I agree with this.
""Donald J. Trump is calling for a total and complete shutdown of Muslims entering the United States until our country's representatives can figure out what is going on," a campaign press release said."
There are so many holes in our immigration/refugee program, that we can not even get a small bit of comfort from the way it is being run today. There are a few simple steps that can be taken to at a minimum protect the citizens of our country. Fiance' exemption, tracking over stays and those here with temporary visas, for example. What were the circumstances of those that perpetrated 9-11 and the San Bernardino massacre? And the vetting is extremely loose, or that wouldn't have happened. Economic refugees are not on the list for entrance due to being a refugee. Tighten up our mechanisms for temporatys and those that we are allowing entry at taxpayer expense.
""Donald J. Trump is calling for a total and complete shutdown of Muslims entering the United States until our country's representatives can figure out what is going on," a campaign press release said."
There are so many holes in our immigration/refugee program, that we can not even get a small bit of comfort from the way it is being run today. There are a few simple steps that can be taken to at a minimum protect the citizens of our country. Fiance' exemption, tracking over stays and those here with temporary visas, for example. What were the circumstances of those that perpetrated 9-11 and the San Bernardino massacre? And the vetting is extremely loose, or that wouldn't have happened. Economic refugees are not on the list for entrance due to being a refugee. Tighten up our mechanisms for temporatys and those that we are allowing entry at taxpayer expense.
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His polling numbers are up by 5% in SC. Seems as if the unholy alliance between the press and the establishment Republicans isn't working so far.
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Thankfully, this reason in particular is a prime example of why this nation is a Democratic Republic, and not a Democracy. In a standard democracy, an irrational movement such as Donald Trump suggests would only require the support of the majority of voters, effectively allowing the government to oppress the rights of a minority group of individuals. This time the Muslims, next, the Christians, and so on. Thankfully, this wonderful Republic is restricted to abide by the laws of our governing document, The US Constitution, which strictly prohibits the government from passing such laws as Mr. Trump and his uneducated voter base are condoning. That in itself helps this wonderful nation to prevent a temporary fear to spur permanent change by Politicians such and Donald Trump from using the current situation to increase the power of the government and strip Americans of their rights.
Now, if we can just ensure a Supreme Court to effectively administer the laws of the Constitution to limit the powers of government the way intended, we can get past this ridiculous nonsense and move toward effective solutions to the radical Islamic epidemic.
Now, if we can just ensure a Supreme Court to effectively administer the laws of the Constitution to limit the powers of government the way intended, we can get past this ridiculous nonsense and move toward effective solutions to the radical Islamic epidemic.
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PO3 John Wagner
Ha ha. You lost. Nice try at a logical argument from a leftist.
"Uneducated voter base."? Who looks like a dunce now?
How the hell would you know anything about his voter base anyway?
"Uneducated voter base."? Who looks like a dunce now?
How the hell would you know anything about his voter base anyway?
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Muslim-American Soldiers To Trump: STFU
Americans in uniform and decorated veterans—who just happen to be Muslim—have some choice words for draft-dodging Donald Trump.
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Capt Walter Miller
Trump is having a big laugh at the expense of anyone dumb enough to take him seriously.
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You two kill me. Trump is a patriot and the only one with the nerve to say what the rest of Americans who truly care about national security only dare to think.
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