Posted on Jun 12, 2014
SGM Matthew Quick
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Not sure if it is authorized or even appropriate, but what are your thoughts about our senior leaders drinking (taking shots, specifically) while in the Army Combat Uniform?
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SPC Bob Taber
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Their was a time when you did not go out in public in your anything other than your dress uniform.
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1SG Donald David
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If you are on base why not.
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SSG Michael Burdiss
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Wear whatever u want.
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CPO Curt Kuhn
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If this were the case in the Navy and you banned drinking, there would have been no Navy
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PO3 David Davis
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Bravo Zulu Chief
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1SG George Gaither
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A utility uniform is now a combat uniform?
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Sgt Dale Briggs
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Edited 8 y ago
I have a picture on my son and his buddies on the flight out of Afghanastan stopping in Germany. A little airport bar dressed up to look like a Bavarian Beer hall, they were having a huge liter mug of beer it looks like. I didn't think anything of it except looking at a table of very tired very happy soldiers and airmen happy to be out of that shit hole.
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TSgt Ncoic, Combat Training Detachment
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Our job is to leave smoking craters filled with the bloody, mangled bodies of our enemies. As long as we're not making bloody mangled bodies of ourselves after drinking, get slammed. This NCO will enforce the standards, but this is his personal opinion.
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SGT Squad Leader
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I have always found that it looks tacky and that it should be avoided.
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SGM Operations Sergeant Major
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To quote be impartial the regulation in reference to Combat Uniforms:

AR-670-1, 4-3
(2) Personnel may not wear the combat uniform in off-post establishments that primarily sell alcohol. If the off-post establishment sells alcohol and food, Soldiers may not wear the combat uniform if their activities in the establishment center on the drinking of alcohol.

The regulation has the exact same stipulations on dress/mess uniforms. This can be just like most other regulations interpreted however the Commander chooses to do so. I would imagine that if the overall focus of the Soldiers in uniform shifts to that of being alcohol consumption then it would be unauthorized. The regulation says you may not where the uniform if it centers around drinking but never says that you aren't allowed to consume alcohol at all.

Another important thing to understand is that almost every post has its own policies on this subject and while the regulation may not prohibit the consumption of alcohol the policies might.

As for appearance of senior leaders drinking in Combat Uniform. I feel as if you would only see this in unit sponsored events, such as Hail and Fairwells. I think my previous statement stands true still. If it gets to the point where the Hail and Fairwell loses focus then that is where it begins to cross the line.

Regardless of what the regulation says, we as leaders have a responsibility to uphold standards of conduct and to carry ourselves with a higher sense of responsibility. We expect our Soldiers to be be good stewards and we should set that example. Drinking in itself is not a horrible act, its the actions or inactions we take during and after drinking that creates problems.

Endstate: Leaders set the example. Stay within the guidelines documented for us and you cannot go wrong. Failure to understand regulation is not a reason to dismiss it.
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1SG Hhc First Sergeant
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First, I hope you and the boys are doing well.

Now to the discussion. This whole thread is starting to aggravate me. I think the majority of the leaders on this thread are walking dangerously close to hypocrisy. Not you. My comments are here to generate discussion with you.

Think of every hail and farewell, NCO call, TDY adventure, and the general shenanigans that takes place during LTP at JRTC. Every senior NCO and Field Grade Officer has personally taken part or at least knows exactly what I'm talking about.

We have no idea what the context is behind this picture. We do not know how many drinks they have had. We know nothing of the circumstances. We only have a photo. A photo that honestly doesn't display Soldiers doing anything bad. So long as Soldiers are representing themselves in a professional manner and this a specific circumstance, there is no issue with it. For example, I just returned from 3 weeks in France. The last week I was in Ste Mere Eglise celebrating the 70th Anniversary of D-Day. We all drank. We drank in bars, in uniform. On top of the Soldiers, NCOs, and Field Grades that were there, there was a slew of GOs and their SEAs (from all services) having a beer too. In uniform. At establishments that only sold alcohol. Were we unprofessional? No. Should we all be crucified? No.

I understand what the regulatory answer is, however, there is a time and place for everything. Maybe this was their time and place.
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SGM Operations Sergeant Major
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I agree with you completely. I didn't go into appearance of events at all. You are correct, the regulation (to my knowledge) doesn't say you cannot drink in uniform. It merely states that it cannot be the primary "event".

Also I agree with what you mean about the picture, this could have been snapped as they were signing off for the night to get in their cabs after wishing the people they are fairwelling a good time. I think you hit the nail on the head with your own personal story. The key take away in my opinion is responsibility. If we maintain military bearing, then we should be able to meet the intent.

However, with all of this being said (and you know me well enough) that while I agree you can maintain professionalism while drinking responsibly, I would not, as an individual knowingly do it. It's easy for me to say because I do not drink therefore am somewhat biased on opinion.
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MSG Floyd Williams
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Edited 11 y ago
They are setting themselves up for DUI charges, I bet MP's was waiting outside for an easy opportunity.
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Cpl Glynis Sakowicz
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I am not sure if I qualify to answer on this one because, unless they have changed the regulations, Marines don't go anywhere but to and from work in their uniforms... other than class A's and Blues.
I can honestly say the only time I ever saw anyone in uniform drinking, was at the Marine Corps Ball, or the E Club.
Its a big thing in the Marines, that when in uniform, you are not just "YOU". To the world at large, you represent the entire Corps, so there are a thousand eyes on you when you leave a Marine base. Even stopping for gas in your Cammies is frowned upon, so you will not see Marines in that uniform slugging back a few shots at the local watering hole.... unless, as I said, the regulations have changed drastically.
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