Posted on Jun 6, 2016
E5 new to the unit without dependent approved BAH, E3 with dependent disapproved. Can they do that?
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I would recommend you talk to your post finance and have them explain to you BAH type 1 and 2.
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1st, do you have physical custody or custodial rights? 2nd, where are you residing? If you are living in the barracks, then you can get BAH Diff only if you are paying child support and you have the documentation to prove it. You reside out of in town and don't have physical custody and pay child support, then you can get BAH with dependents for child support purposes only.
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Review regs for BAH, and make sure you qualify. If you are a single parent you must have custody for the majority of the year, documented, to receive BAH. There are also rules on for those without dependents. Make sure you know the Rev before doing more. Going to your Sgt Major is a good idea if you want guidance, but don't go to him if your going to wine.
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Question: We're you married at your time of induction? If no, did you demonstrate that you were not the guardian of a child. If you did, that child is not the responsibility of the Army. I once chaptered a soldier out for fraudulent enlistment who complained to our Div CDR that she couldn't get service for her special needs kid. She had assigned guardianship of the child to a relative and after training tried to bring the kid back as her dependent.
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It was not your chain of commandbwho turned down your request but Finance or DFAS. Finance qualifies service member's entitlements and benefits. Even if you have a child if you don't have physical custody then you can't have a full BAH. You may want to apply for BAQ-Diff if you don't have physical custody of your child but you have to make sure that your child support is equal or higher than your BAQ-Diff.
Don't compare yourself with another SM. You don't know their situations.
Don't compare yourself with another SM. You don't know their situations.
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Before you go running to the CSM, have you discussed this with your Squad Leader, Platoon Sergeant or First Sergeant to find out exactly why this was denied? You can't just jump to the top of the chain of command because you don't like the answer or don't understand something. If that was the case, why stop at the CSM, just go see the installation commander, or on your four day weekend take a drive up to Washington DC and ask to speak with the Commander in Chief? Start at the lowest level and ask for an honest explanation about why you were denied BAH. That means they need to get with your company operations NCO and make you an Appointment with the S1. If they can't give you an answer then you let your PSG and 1SG know that you would like to take this matter higher and would like to speak with the CSM under his "Open Door Policy". If you jump the chain of command they can legally punish you under Article 15 of the UCMJ.
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SGM Marquez is right. I'm Navy, but both times I reported overseas (as an E-5), because all the E-4 and below were filling up the barracks, there wasn't room for me, and all I needed was an SNA/LNA(Statement/Letter of Non-Availability, depending on whom you talk to) from the BEQ manager, and my request for OHA (Overseas Housing Allowance - almost the same as BAH) was automatically approved. It's also a DoD-wide policy that anyone with dependents listed on their service record (Page 2 for Navy) is automatically entitled to BAH since a BEQ/BOQ is not a suitable location for co-habitation of any dependents, especially children.
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Without shared or sole custody you are only authorized BAH-diff. But you have to be paying child support to get it.
"BAH-Diff is the housing allowance amount for a member who is assigned to single-type quarters and who is authorized a basic allowance for housing solely by reason of the member's payment of child support. A member is not entitled to BAH-Diff if the monthly rate of that child support is less than the BAH-Diff."
"BAH-Diff is the housing allowance amount for a member who is assigned to single-type quarters and who is authorized a basic allowance for housing solely by reason of the member's payment of child support. A member is not entitled to BAH-Diff if the monthly rate of that child support is less than the BAH-Diff."
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It is based on rank. Most bases have a policy for E-5s and above, and E-4s and below (E-6s on some installations). If you don't have more than 50% (by court order) custody AND the child resides with you more than 90 days consecutively, you do not get BAH. Rank is exactly the basis for this, as you have not earned the pay and responsibility of living off base unless you have a family that lives with you.
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Hard to say without a closer look at your particular situation. If you want clarity, go visit the IG and ask them. They will sort out the truth for you.
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was your child born before you joined or while you were in. cause that actually plays a big factor...
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PFC Blair, Let me rehash this for a minute,
You are asking if you should get full BAH for your son and be allowed to move off base? However, based on your other answer, you are already receiving BAH Diff, and you are the non custodial parent, is that correct?
If so, based on those facts alone, the commander is the only one who can authorize you to move off base. As a PFC he's very unlikely to do so unless the barracks are full. Unfortunately that's the reality of your situation as a single soldier.
As has been previously stated, if you have primary physical custody of more than 50% of the year or 6 months out of the year, you are then authorized full BAH and have to move out of the barracks. Going to your CSM won't change the policy or your situation for the better based on all the information you have given us.
I'll also caution you about comparing your situation to the SGT's. One yes his rank will play into the decision of housing, as typically NCOs are more frequently given permission to live on the economy over Junior soldiers based on their demonstrated performance.
You are asking if you should get full BAH for your son and be allowed to move off base? However, based on your other answer, you are already receiving BAH Diff, and you are the non custodial parent, is that correct?
If so, based on those facts alone, the commander is the only one who can authorize you to move off base. As a PFC he's very unlikely to do so unless the barracks are full. Unfortunately that's the reality of your situation as a single soldier.
As has been previously stated, if you have primary physical custody of more than 50% of the year or 6 months out of the year, you are then authorized full BAH and have to move out of the barracks. Going to your CSM won't change the policy or your situation for the better based on all the information you have given us.
I'll also caution you about comparing your situation to the SGT's. One yes his rank will play into the decision of housing, as typically NCOs are more frequently given permission to live on the economy over Junior soldiers based on their demonstrated performance.
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Well Sgts typically rate BAH to get them out of the barracks. Is your dependent in your military record? Is he actually your son or did you adopt? If he's not actually your kid or you haven't registered him with the personnel to get him added to your military record, then no you wouldn't rate BAH. But if you have him documented, then you should rate BAH. It's not a command decision, it's a personnel decision. You should talk to your personnel department. For Marines it's DEERS/RAPIDS/IPAC. Not sure what it is for Army.
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Cpl Justin Goolsby
Then honestly, it shouldn't even be an issue. I don't know how it can be denied because it's not a command decision to make. I would definitely speak with your personnel dept because you rate BAH/BAS. Rank has nothing to do with the care of dependents.
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Maj (Join to see)
You can have a biological son, but if the child was born out of wedlock, without a court order for support or a demand for support from the mother, you may still not be entitled to BAH.
This is an Army question, but for the Marine order, Cpl Goolsby, look up MCO P1751.3 (F should be the latest) to see how complicated this gets.
This is an Army question, but for the Marine order, Cpl Goolsby, look up MCO P1751.3 (F should be the latest) to see how complicated this gets.
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BAH is not an entitlement for child support it is an entitlement for housing. If he does not have custody of the child either sole or shared then he does not get BAH. But if he is paying child support he can qualify for BAH-dif to help pay for that child support.
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PFC
Too many unknowns to give you the real answer. Do you have custody? Does your unit have you living in the barracks? The Sergeant is another issue that hardly concern you. Be a man and talk to your first line supervisor. If that don't work, tell them you want to speak to the next higher up, etc, etc..... Don't post part of the story and have people try to figure out why. Get all the fact together on your situation then ask your chain of command at the proper level.
Too many unknowns to give you the real answer. Do you have custody? Does your unit have you living in the barracks? The Sergeant is another issue that hardly concern you. Be a man and talk to your first line supervisor. If that don't work, tell them you want to speak to the next higher up, etc, etc..... Don't post part of the story and have people try to figure out why. Get all the fact together on your situation then ask your chain of command at the proper level.
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1SG (Join to see) I have talked to them over a course of months and I don't have custody I pay support and receive baq diff the fort Bragg finance has a policy which allows single soldiers who receive baq diff which states can move out of barracks under commanders approval
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SPC (Join to see) - Brother, your chain of command controls where you live. BAH is for housing, if you live in the barracks I don't believe you can legally receive BAH. A Soldier that gets divorced loses his BAH once the divorce is final regardless of having children unless he maintains full or partial custody. Unfortunately there is no assistance to help with the child support.
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SPC (Join to see)
It's not to help with child support its so my son can come visit me without me finding a hotel and be in a home incorporate I've take the policy which my finance gave me for the housing to my gain of command their only answer was cause of my rank point period
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Doesn't rallypoint sometimes add pictures to topics based on the subject? I think I've seen several post like this before and saw someone mention this.
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The pic of the German Soldier holding his child that you uploaded with your post. While I understand the simplicity of the pic being a dad holding his child, within the Army perception is key to anything you do. There are leaders on here or even perhaps leaders from your particular base on here, that could see that pic and perceive a whole different (and possibly negative) perception as to your meaning.
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I'm just going to say this:
1) Choose a different pic.
2) Did you bother to ask your Chain of Support if they could explain why before trying to blast the decisions of your Command on this site?
1) Choose a different pic.
2) Did you bother to ask your Chain of Support if they could explain why before trying to blast the decisions of your Command on this site?
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