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CSM Michael Sweeney
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I made E6 in 4 years and E7 in 9 years. Being honest, I did make rank too fast. Not so much for TIS but for my age. Since I joined right after turning 17 I started my years as a Senior NCO at the ripe old age of 27. I became big headed and let my big mouth get me in trouble. Now it was during the days in the Army where being stupid didn't cost me my career. It took another 9 years to get promoted again and I deserved to have to wait. My years as MSG/1SG then SGM/CSM were better for the humbling experience.
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SP5 John Fitzgerald
SP5 John Fitzgerald
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Good post, Sweeny. Quick promotion is worn well when coupled with a sense of humility and gratitude.
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SP5 John Brown
SP5 John Brown
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Being deployed to South East Asia, in 1967, i was Promoted to E-5 , with supplemental " hazardous Duty" Pay ,as a Helicopter Crew-Chief. I was 19, but pretty Mature. I would have wanted a Comrade like Me , at my Back. Were i promoted to 1st LT. I would have handled it with sincerity.
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SGT John Overby
SGT John Overby
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I was an E4 in 8 months because of honor promotions through two AIT's for my MOS: 05B-C. It then took another thirteen months to make E-5. Got out two and one-half months later. I became brigade Crypto clerk about seven months prior to ETS. My MOS taught me responsibility, but leadership only happened as a Track Commander for our M-577 tracked Command Post vehicle. He was an E-4/5 also, so Tom and I worked as teammates and not rank and file. I only issued two commands to him. Once with a HALT as he barreled towards a ravine he could not see. The second HALT was when I smelled our vehicle battery being over charged. In other words, like SP5 Brown, the job responsibilities lead to becoming a leader. I wonder if CSM Sweeny learned to keep his mouth shut. I learned that in BCT, then forgot it after ETS.
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SGT John Overby
SGT John Overby
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SPC Sam Williamson - If you had worked with good officers, you might have been like Radar and have been promoted to a Captain-Corporal. But in your case, it would have been a Captain-PFC.
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COL Mikel J. Burroughs
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LTJG (Join to see) I believe there is something to be said about making rank too early. I've seen it where it has paid off and I've seen it where it has been a big mistake. I think Commanders/1SG and First Line Supervisors need to treat each individual on a case by case basis. If they are mature and have what it takes for the next rank (expertise, shows initiative, military bearing, carries themselves appropriately for the next higher grade) then move forward with your best judgment. I've even seen this backfire as well. It can go either way sometimes. I've never had a Bolo in my career that I approved for promotion ahead of the curve - not that I know if anyway!!
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SSgt W. Aaron Gregory
SSgt W. Aaron Gregory
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PO2 Henry Kaczmarek - could not agree more. A new officer that wants to learn and excel quickly finds and latches on to some good NCOs... while maintaining that officer/enlisted relationship. It helps the NCOs out as well. They're mentors to everyone. They have an obligation to share what they have learned. This isn't necessary and often backfires with warrant officers - especially Marine ones. LOL. You don't really need to teach those folks anything.
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MSG Donna Dewar
MSG Donna Dewar
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I think Col Burroughs is right about case by case judgement. Some people have rabis some don't. If you do make rank fast you must have the good sense to figure out how to survive and learn from the best.
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1stSgt Roger Rose
1stSgt Roger Rose
2 y
This is an example of getting rank fast. In the AF medical core and I think all the branches are the same, promote rapidly. My daughter joined the reserves, then went to medical school with the AF paying her way. She got promoted to Captain while in the reserves. We got to put the bars on. So reporting for active duty she had no idea how to act as an officer. She was lost just trying to process in! One airman seeing that she was up set tried to help her. She was saying "this is my first day!" First day at Kessler" he replied" "No !, my first day in the AF" . I told her the after my 21 years enlisted in the AF the best thing for her to so was find a mature E 5 and ask what she should do. I also told her to take care of her people. Everything seemed to work out ok for her.
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SPC Michael Budzinski
SPC Michael Budzinski
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Need to separate the eggheads and make statements
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PO1 John Miller
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I've seen people make Chief in 6 years, while still stationed at their first command. Fortunately (or unfortunately depending on your point of view), most Chief messes are not going to let a boot Chief fail just because they're so young. First Classes on the other hand... I've seen way too many fellow First Classes stab each other in the back in the hopes that they will make themselves look better to the CPO Selection Board (and unfortunately I've seen that work also).
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SPC Edward Abney
SPC Edward Abney
2 y
1SG George Truelove - Right on, 1SG! I believe that the Army made a huge mistake in eliminating the Specialist (E5 and up) ranks, and, they should bring them back. There are many enlisted who do not want to be a NCO!
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SPC Edward Abney
SPC Edward Abney
2 y
MSG Donna Dewar - Good point, MSG. My Army was self-reliant, with very few "civilian" jobs. I believe that having many occupations filled with civilians will turn around some day and cripple the Services. We need the Draft, back!
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SSG Mark Lawless
SSG Mark Lawless
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SPC Edward Abney - I agree with MSG Dewar. I was a Spec-5 for 6 years because I did not want the responsibility of being an NCO. I loved my job repairing HAWK System equipment, getting my hands dirt was what I liked. When I made SSG most of that changed. I still got down and dirty but not near as much as I liked.
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SN Sylvan Tieger
SN Sylvan Tieger
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I was a kiddie cruiser in 1965 and the E-6 bosun mate was also a kiddie cruiser and was under 21 years old. The older lower rank petty officer tried to undermine his authority
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E6 in 3 years? Is there such thing as making rank too soon?
SGT English/Language Arts Teacher
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I made E-5 in 2 years and had no problems at all. I think it is the person who makes the rank and not the rank that makes the person. If that makes any sense.
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SFC Jacquelyn Taylor
SFC Jacquelyn Taylor
3 y
SFC Taylor - can you say that again!!!!
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PO2 Henry Kaczmarek
PO2 Henry Kaczmarek
3 y
SFC Jacquelyn Taylor - I don't care where you're from SFC, that was one wild comment!
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PO3 Karen Bolhuis
PO3 Karen Bolhuis
3 y
SPC Lilaso Kabaziso - that's a pretty assinine thing to say. Maybe you're just upset because you got called out by a female? Based on your comment, you probably deserved it!
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SFC Stanley Lemell
SFC Stanley Lemell
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When I was deployed to Korea (1953) I was a PFC. By April I had the rank of SFC . Some ranks earned during combat and final rank after being put in charge of company supply. I continually had a real great relationship with everybody I served with. So what SGT. David Reynolds states is absolutely correct.
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1SG First Sergeant
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I've moved through the ranks relatively quickly... Made the E8 list with just over 13 years TIS. I joined when I was 25 so I had a little more maturity, and I think that helped somewhat. Obviously it depends on the individual, and certainly there are many who earn their early promotions. There is an inherent problem that I see through our formations currently, however, and that is one of face time with senior leaders. Soldiers depend on mentorship, and someone who has made rank as quickly as possible (myself included) must understand that their view is extremely narrow when it comes to problem solving in the military. You may know the ins and outs of your MOS, and can quote regulation like its cool, but Soldiers require the mentorship of senior leaders... the more people they work for, the wider their knowledge base is going to be for when that one weird problem shows up. I myself have struggled on numerous occasions with the extraordinarily steep learning curve required of constant upward movement through the ranks and the increased responsibility with each position, so early promotion should be looked at as a double-edged sword. The other piece of it is when Soldiers are promoted too early, they reach a point at the E7-E-9 level where they HAVE to keep moving into more and more demanding positions, particularly at E9... if an E9 gets passed over for a nominative job, they risk being tagged for separation under QSP, regardless of the fact that they made SGM in 18 years.
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SGT English/Language Arts Teacher
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I agree with that. I was very fortunate to have had many combat veterans for SNCOs who took an interest in me. I feel if those SNCOs felt I should join them in the ranks, I had an obligation to do the job. 1SG (Join to see)
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CAPT Kevin B.
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At least that's longer than the instant E-6s they mint because they can sing.
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PO1 Musician
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As a current E6 in the Navy fleet, I can assure you that the vetting process for a specialty E6 is grueling. I recently submitted recordings of my work against 56 other applicants for one position in one of the DC bands and was afforded the opportunity to be one of nine invited to play live, behind a screen, for a panel. At least half the applicants were also current professionals, teachers, musicians who freelanced in NYC, cruise ship musicians. Nobody with less than a masters degree, and most over the age of 30. They are being paid for the years of work they did before they ever joined and the incredible amount of work they had to do in order to get the job to begin with. This is no sign up and get assigned a rate a boot camp, this is work your butt off for 10 years in the hopes of winning a position in one of these very highly-regarded units. Six months of A-school will not teach anyone how to do my job.
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SSG Roger Shattuck
SSG Roger Shattuck
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As a regular "line" bandperson, I had to earn my stripes the old fashioned way. Special Bands are a different animal.
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PO3 James Bobiney
PO3 James Bobiney
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CW4 Keith Dolliver - I agree with this. I also think they should've kept the Specialist Ranks. I did eight years active Army as a Spc(p) by the end. I never wanted to be a hardstripe leader. I saw how alot of them got treated liked shit by chain of commands. I could lead, and was able to get lower enlisted organized to complete a task. Sometimes even an inexperienced Sgt too. Only because I was more mature and older than alot of the rest, even some of the SSG's. Then I got out because of Retention Control and went in the Navy as a PO3. Was treated like an NCO from jump there and had not too many problems with it. But I was having problems with my head(PTSD) so I got out after 14 months. They gave me an honorable because it was contractual because I'd met my eight year obligation to the Govt.
But if they'd have jept the Sp5, 6 ranks in the Army I probably would've retired. Oh well. 100% sc now though so it is what it is.
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SFC Cryptologic Linguist
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I would much rather have instant minted E-6s in the band than some E-2 who volunteers to go fumble fuck around with an oboe and a trumpet that they’ve never even held before.
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CWO3 Bryan Luciani
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I made Chief in 7 1/2 and Senior Chief in 11. When I was eligible for E9, my CO (Commodore) at a new command gave me a "Promotable" on my Fitrep after two consecutive EPs and No.1 rankings at my previous command where I had acted as the Senior Enlisted Advisor on multiple occasions. When I asked him why he was short-circuiting my career, he said he felt I was too young to be a Master Chief. So, I was judged based solely on my age and my fast rise through the ranks. Even worse, the Commodore took the CMCs advice not to give an EP. Neither ever looked at my service record, my qualifications, my extensive sea time. Nothing. Yes, I asked them. I was more than ready to be a Master Chief Engineman and a great diesel inspector. I had three EOOW letters. I left the Commodore, walked down the hall and blasted the CMC for his recommendation to the Commodore and his"feet on the desk", slacker attitude. The commodore left that command a few months later and I dropped my Chief Warrant Officer application package on the new commodores desk the second day he was there. Best decision I ever made. What I learned is that there is a place for smart people that do their job well and get promoted quickly. Find your place. You may be better suited to be an officer. They make LT in four years and they have less leadership training than any E6. Congrats on making E6 in three years. Now keep your mouth zipped and your ears and eyes wide open. Listen to all your people and make well balanced decisions. You'll do great.
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PO1 Donald Vinson
PO1 Donald Vinson
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Very good example and great advice to a young first class petty officer. The other advice I would say is lead by example, don't tell your Junior Enlisted to do something that you yourself aren't willing to do.
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PO2 Henry Kaczmarek
PO2 Henry Kaczmarek
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PO1 Donald Vinson - I made sure everyone under me watched me do the same tasks I asked them to do. And did it with them to show I was keeping my skin in the game.
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CWO3 Bryan Luciani
CWO3 Bryan Luciani
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CPO Mark Gallup - Looks like your issue was with the selection board each time. Not your command who was giving you great fitreps. My comment and the guy who posted the original comment are more about people in your own command who judge you, based on your time in service. A selection board of Master Chiefs will surely have a few people on it that believe if your career isn't like theirs, you don't get their endorsement. Egos and Master Chiefs go hand in hand. Different story for another day.
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CWO3 Bryan Luciani
CWO3 Bryan Luciani
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CWO3 Bryan Luciani - Read what I wrote. Has zero to do with selection boards. I got promoted every time I went up. It’s about senior people judging and evaluating their troops with no info.
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SGT Writer
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Have you ever heard the phrase "Made 7 in 7" - I've known a few Sergeants First Class with ~7 yrs TIS. I've also met a 19 year old SGT.

It all depends on the SM's competence and maturity alongside the mission(s) they support.
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SGM Omer Dalton
SGM Omer Dalton
5 y
Yep, that was me 7 in 7 and then Vietnam where I had to learn fast. Came back better prepared to hold the rank.
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SGT Paul Richardson
SGT Paul Richardson
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SGT (Join to see) - I was station in Munich in 1964 we had a SFC in our Company, he was said to be the youngest SFC in the Army at the time. I never had any duty with him. Have no idea what type of GI he was. All I do know is he kept to himself and never mingled with the rest of us. was a E5 platoon leader Ground Radar surveillance. He was always in his room reading and as far as I know never hit the town at all. .so I guess he deserved the rank studying all the time.
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SGT Paul Richardson
SGT Paul Richardson
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SGT Paul Richardson - I was a platoon leader not him..forgot to put the I in there.
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SPC Edward Abney
SPC Edward Abney
2 y
What ever happened to Time in Grade?
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SFC Recruiter
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I made E6 in five years as an Infantryman, and continue to learn more and more every day. I think it depends on the person and their ability to adapt to the new job. That being said, you will not be super proficient with such little experience.
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CPO Health Services Technician
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I wouldn’t brag about that. In our service you won’t see it and 95% of folks that advance fast have poor leadership skills because they have next to no experience with leading troops
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SGM Barry Kindred
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Welp, I made E-7 in 5 yrs, 10 months.
It has both risk and reward.
I was forever ahead of my peers until retirement.
Youngest SFC promoted in the Army in peacetime at that time.
It was quite a challenge from that day forward.
I had to PROVE my worth at every level to the Older, more experienced.
Alot of shunning.
Performance and setting the standard is challenging to anyone, but a 23 year old SFC PSG?
Well, it was a helluva challenge.
Definitely the exception not the rule..
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SGT Joe Angle
SGT Joe Angle
>1 y
Awesome job!
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SP6 Bruce Kellar
SP6 Bruce Kellar
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During the draft it was not difficult to distinguish yourself, sure helped me. 50 years ago there were more bad attitudes than good ones which is still true everywhere today.
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SGT Randall Smith
SGT Randall Smith
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SP6 Bruce Kellar - : It's a shame to paint so many with the same brush, but you are right Kellaer. So many of the men in my first company were quite happy to finish their two years as PFC or Spc4. They did what they HAD to do and nothing extra. They were not bad soldiers just sort of lazy and counting days. That was1966.
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SP6 Bruce Kellar
SP6 Bruce Kellar
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The most lackadaisical were the US troops that scored low on entrance exams. Those were the ones who felt that they should not be in service. Many of those were plucked out of colleges for several reasons during the heightened Marxist movements of academia.. I did not understand the situation until I deros'd from Nam and was assigned to an AFEES (armed forces entrance and examination station) and witnessed guys with lawyers, doctors and mothers excuses to avoid their wonderful child (18 years old) serving the nation as did millions upon millions of others since before the constitution was written. What is so often poo hooed is that protecting your nation is no different than protecting your home. That concept completely escapes today's 18 year old. As an old cripple I still am determined to protect myself, family and home while if necessary my country if needed. So I guess everyone should call a cop?
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