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I heard the other day that it is not only possible but common for someone to make E7 in 7 years in the Army.
Any truth to this?
Other services, what is the Fastest/Average time line to make E7 for your branch?
Any truth to this?
Other services, what is the Fastest/Average time line to make E7 for your branch?
Posted 10 y ago
Responses: 51
TSgt Joshua Copeland, typically when you hear the term 7-in-7, it is referring to individuals that make E7 in under 8 years (ie. 7 years + some months). It's quite rare to find individuals that make it in under 7 years, but it does happen. With that being said, as of the 2014 board, the average TIS for a Soldier being promoted to E7 was 13+ years and E8 was 19+ years.
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When people find out that I was an E8 prior to commissioning, I am often asked how I was able to promote as quickly as I did and I give everyone a similar answer that sounds something like this:
In order to promote quickly in the Army, a number of things must happen, some you can control and others you can not.
The first step is to raise your hand... over and over again; you need to volunteer for every course, every TDY, every deployment, every tiny bit of training that you can get. In order for military leaders to promote you based on your potential, you must first show them your drive and determination to be the most well-rounded (both training & experience) of your peers. Look for opportunities to have experience or training that isn't common in your branch or rank; think outside of the box. If you get a chance to fill a temporary position outside of your career field, take it; it will make you more well-rounded and gives your insight into the needs of others. That includes doing what no one else wants to do. If you volunteer for something hard and do well at it, people will notice.
Next, you must prove that you are both proficient and efficient. A strong work ethic will take you a long way. However, it is just as important to show that you can not only do a job, but do it better. Always be looking for ways to do more with less. The ability to save the Army time and money is always a plus. The Army has many blocks; check them, but then go the extra mile to make each unit you're in better when you leave than when you arrived.
Educate yourself! You should be enrolled in courses at all times. With the exception of deployments, throughout my 13+ year career, I have been consistently enrolled in courses the entire time (night classes, weekend classes, online classes, whatever I could). Despite the ridiculous workload, I was even taking BA and then Masters classes during BNCOC, ANCOC, and IBOLC. Don't let time be your excuse. Even if you're only enrolled in one class at a time, that's better than none. If you simply can not be enrolled in a course (military or civilian) at any given time, then dedicate 30 minutes a day to an Audible.com Course (Great Courses Series), an iTunes U Course, or a daily TED Talk. Knowledge is power! I've already mentioned military & civilian education, but you will also need to have general knowledge as well. Keep up with what's going on in the world. Know a lot about a lot. You'll be surprised how far you'll go if you're able to hold an educated conversation with your peers and superiors. You should always strive to be the smartest man in the room. Just don't be a jerk about it; just because you have something to say, doesn't mean you should always say it.
Finally, there are many things in the Army that you can not control. Often, your assignment (duty station and/or position) is chosen for you. Often, you don't have a say in what training opportunities are offered to you. Often, you are unable to 'take charge' because you're the junior guy. When that happens, make lemonade. Do the best at what you are given to do and simultaneously, look for other opportunities to go that extra mile; boards (Soldier of the Month/Quarter/Year, Audie Murphy, etc...), education (again), volunteering, etc...
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I know that was a bit of a rant, but I figure that was probably the best input that I could give to this conversation. Hopefully, some young Soldier will stumble across it and take something away from it.
With all of that being said, I've known a couple of 7-in-7 (under 8) MSgts in the Air Force. Just take a look at the TACP, CCT, and PJ communities.
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When people find out that I was an E8 prior to commissioning, I am often asked how I was able to promote as quickly as I did and I give everyone a similar answer that sounds something like this:
In order to promote quickly in the Army, a number of things must happen, some you can control and others you can not.
The first step is to raise your hand... over and over again; you need to volunteer for every course, every TDY, every deployment, every tiny bit of training that you can get. In order for military leaders to promote you based on your potential, you must first show them your drive and determination to be the most well-rounded (both training & experience) of your peers. Look for opportunities to have experience or training that isn't common in your branch or rank; think outside of the box. If you get a chance to fill a temporary position outside of your career field, take it; it will make you more well-rounded and gives your insight into the needs of others. That includes doing what no one else wants to do. If you volunteer for something hard and do well at it, people will notice.
Next, you must prove that you are both proficient and efficient. A strong work ethic will take you a long way. However, it is just as important to show that you can not only do a job, but do it better. Always be looking for ways to do more with less. The ability to save the Army time and money is always a plus. The Army has many blocks; check them, but then go the extra mile to make each unit you're in better when you leave than when you arrived.
Educate yourself! You should be enrolled in courses at all times. With the exception of deployments, throughout my 13+ year career, I have been consistently enrolled in courses the entire time (night classes, weekend classes, online classes, whatever I could). Despite the ridiculous workload, I was even taking BA and then Masters classes during BNCOC, ANCOC, and IBOLC. Don't let time be your excuse. Even if you're only enrolled in one class at a time, that's better than none. If you simply can not be enrolled in a course (military or civilian) at any given time, then dedicate 30 minutes a day to an Audible.com Course (Great Courses Series), an iTunes U Course, or a daily TED Talk. Knowledge is power! I've already mentioned military & civilian education, but you will also need to have general knowledge as well. Keep up with what's going on in the world. Know a lot about a lot. You'll be surprised how far you'll go if you're able to hold an educated conversation with your peers and superiors. You should always strive to be the smartest man in the room. Just don't be a jerk about it; just because you have something to say, doesn't mean you should always say it.
Finally, there are many things in the Army that you can not control. Often, your assignment (duty station and/or position) is chosen for you. Often, you don't have a say in what training opportunities are offered to you. Often, you are unable to 'take charge' because you're the junior guy. When that happens, make lemonade. Do the best at what you are given to do and simultaneously, look for other opportunities to go that extra mile; boards (Soldier of the Month/Quarter/Year, Audie Murphy, etc...), education (again), volunteering, etc...
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I know that was a bit of a rant, but I figure that was probably the best input that I could give to this conversation. Hopefully, some young Soldier will stumble across it and take something away from it.
With all of that being said, I've known a couple of 7-in-7 (under 8) MSgts in the Air Force. Just take a look at the TACP, CCT, and PJ communities.
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MAJ (Join to see)
TSgt Joshua Copeland, I stand corrected. You would obviously know the AFIs better than me. The guys I know probably meant they made E7 in 8+ when they said 7-in-8, just as I said above that you often hear 7-in-7 meaning E7 in 7+.
Thanks for setting it straight.
Thanks for setting it straight.
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COL Vincent Stoneking
MAJ (Join to see) A very well written and thoughtful post. My email signature includes a line from Jefferson "I'm a great believer in luck and I find the harder I work, the more I have of it."
And I am also a great believer in the "Great Courses" series, and generally do a podcast during my commute.
And I am also a great believer in the "Great Courses" series, and generally do a podcast during my commute.
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MAJ (Join to see)
COL Vincent Stoneking, thank you for the kind words. That is a great quote, I've used it many times.
I have a 60-90 minutes per day in the car and I also find that to be the perfect time for 'Great Course Series' casts. It really helps me to clear my head, shift gears, and leave work at work.
I have a 60-90 minutes per day in the car and I also find that to be the perfect time for 'Great Course Series' casts. It really helps me to clear my head, shift gears, and leave work at work.
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Lt Col (Join to see)
Lt Slaughter - nice words of wisdom! I don't think I worked as hard as you did but I did finish my degree while enlisted as well and found education, volunteerism and hard work to pay off huge. Good advice for anyone looking to advance in the military...and in the civilian world.
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With everybody filling out their promotions on their RallyPoint profile, our staff could use the data to conduct analysis on the fastest promotion paths, average times across the branches of service, rates across different specialties, and finally put some good factual information out there.
So please make sure you complete the promotion portion of your profile and encourage others you serve or served with to do the same...
So please make sure you complete the promotion portion of your profile and encourage others you serve or served with to do the same...
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TSgt Joshua Copeland
CPT Michael Barden / LTC Yinon Weiss, the same goes for enlisted promotions on the AFRES/ANG side. Everything is slot driving. Had a buddy go from a E5 to E7 in 4 years because he got hired in to a E7 position.
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CSM Charles Hayden
MAJ Yinon Weiss, AWESOME! Spoken like a Harvard Business School graduate! And a Soldier who cares!
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LTC Stephen C.
LTC Yinon Weiss, consistent with CPT Michael Barden's remarks, there was a time when commissioned officers serving as Guardsmen and Reservists would have to go the mandatory time in grade to be promoted to the next higher grade. The only way to get an advanced promotion was via a Unit Vacancy Selection Board, and not many had that opportunity. You'll need to account for that in your analyses!
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SGT (Join to see)
I have seen this in my field, because 35F has been understrengh for years. This is currently not the case and most Soldiers reach SSG and stall out for years. Just my input
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MAJ (Join to see) made E-8 in a little over 9 years and recently commissioned as an infantry officer. I don't mean to embarrass him for highlighting his achievements... the Army should be very proud to have him.
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CPT (Join to see)
I went to IBOLC with Chris. He was a pretty squared aways guy. I could see how he got it.
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MAJ (Join to see)
Hey CPT (Join to see), would you consider it egocentric that I "voted up" that you said I was a pretty squared away guy?
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CW5 Sam R. Baker
I was a 6 in 4 guy wanting to get to 7 in 7, but the warrant officer path came about and here I sit, still happy of my path, great job LT in your enlisted time which I know you are equally proud of.
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