Posted on Jun 5, 2016
Everyone wants free college. Do you think they can pay for it?
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I don't really have anything to ad. The meme says it all. Do you agree?
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CPT Jack Durish When I was discharged, I started working full time and started going to school full time using the G.I. Bill. My degree paved the way to my dream job. Hard work and determination does pay off.
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CPT Jack Durish
America has long benefited from stories such as yours. After all, the success of an almost-free market economy is the sum of the successes and failures of its individual members. You have obviously contributed to the credit side of that balance sheet as have I. Sadly, the government contributes only to the debit side and the imbalance of a cancerous growth in government has laid our nation low.
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I would agree, especially with the new generation. They want want want but are not willing to work for it. Of course this is a generalist if identification of all college age individuals. The fact remains, it appears this new generation wants to be handed every thing and believes they are entitled to receive it without regard to those who came before. Perhaps it is our fault for without remembering how we and those before earned their education. If we don't realize how great we have it to get free college for serving we won't appreciate 1. Our education, and 2 the sacrifices made so we can enjoy it. I am a great example earned 2 associates a bachelor's a master's and working on. Second masters...maybe spend 2-3 grand out of pocket.
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19 trillion dollars in debt and everyone wants free stuff... I get it... actually there is a warped sense of logic. But I think there needs to be a realistic solution. Military service for all? The fact is not everyone is cut out for military service.
Instead go with a community service concept. If you want 'free' college, you must put in 40 hours a week for the summer before and in between semesters and one summer after graduation. During the school semester 15-20 hours a week. This can be based on the needs of the state and local community. It should only be for state level colleges, trade and technical schools. All tuition paid, all books, and such. A small salary could be included (small). If you choose to go to a private or out of state university it is on you. If you choose to not do the community service all cost are on you.
Now how do we pay for this? Simple cut/reduce foreign aid, and other welfare programs. Fix the tax system, encourage job growth and development in the USA, remove the restrictive regulations that is killing industry, negotiate trade deals with America's best interests. Cut the size and scope of many of the federal/state government agencies.
Get people educated and working, we won't need the welfare. The more people working the more fresh tax revenue can be generated and put towards the debt and other priorities. (What do I mean by fresh tax revenue? If you have 25% or more of your population getting government assistance, the tax money collected from that is just recycled, does nothing to benefit the nation. It is like daddy works, gives his son a dollar who buys lemonade from his sister's stand who then gives it to her daddy to buy more lemonade mix... who then gives his son a dollar who buys more lemonade...)
Instead go with a community service concept. If you want 'free' college, you must put in 40 hours a week for the summer before and in between semesters and one summer after graduation. During the school semester 15-20 hours a week. This can be based on the needs of the state and local community. It should only be for state level colleges, trade and technical schools. All tuition paid, all books, and such. A small salary could be included (small). If you choose to go to a private or out of state university it is on you. If you choose to not do the community service all cost are on you.
Now how do we pay for this? Simple cut/reduce foreign aid, and other welfare programs. Fix the tax system, encourage job growth and development in the USA, remove the restrictive regulations that is killing industry, negotiate trade deals with America's best interests. Cut the size and scope of many of the federal/state government agencies.
Get people educated and working, we won't need the welfare. The more people working the more fresh tax revenue can be generated and put towards the debt and other priorities. (What do I mean by fresh tax revenue? If you have 25% or more of your population getting government assistance, the tax money collected from that is just recycled, does nothing to benefit the nation. It is like daddy works, gives his son a dollar who buys lemonade from his sister's stand who then gives it to her daddy to buy more lemonade mix... who then gives his son a dollar who buys more lemonade...)
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SSG Pete Fleming
Sgt Gus Laskaris - There is tons of community service to do. help the elderly, clean the parks, go to the state parks and other state properties. Clean the rivers and streams, clean along the highways, and more. It would not be a federal program, but a state run and administered program tailored by and for the benefit of each state. The federal government need to reduce its size and scope. It needs to get out of our day to day lives and go back to the authority granted by the Constitution, everything else belongs to the individual states.
Veterans deserve everything they get for what they are willing to do. Your Air Force comment is insulting to Air Force vets. I remember seeing them in Iraq, their conditions were no better than mine (this was 03).
Some jobs come and some go very true. But we are not replacing them. They are going overseas because of policies in place that strangle businesses and growth. The government mandating a living wage does nothing to help the economy, it in facts hurts the economy and cost jobs.
Student debt isn't the fault of the government. Private colleges are a business and if people are willing to pay they will charge those fees. There are ways to keep cost down, community and state schools. We also need to get back to having trade schools in high school. The states and the local communities needs to have control over their education institutions, not the federal government.
People want free stuff, earn it. Community service is just one of may ways. I would support community service projects for those on welfare as well. Why should hard working men and women pay taxes so someone else gets paid to do nothing?
The only way to fix any of this is with job creation, economic growth and development. Reduce the federal government hold over small business (stop the overregulation) fix the tax system. Put America first on all trade deals (as every nation should put their citizens first).
Veterans deserve everything they get for what they are willing to do. Your Air Force comment is insulting to Air Force vets. I remember seeing them in Iraq, their conditions were no better than mine (this was 03).
Some jobs come and some go very true. But we are not replacing them. They are going overseas because of policies in place that strangle businesses and growth. The government mandating a living wage does nothing to help the economy, it in facts hurts the economy and cost jobs.
Student debt isn't the fault of the government. Private colleges are a business and if people are willing to pay they will charge those fees. There are ways to keep cost down, community and state schools. We also need to get back to having trade schools in high school. The states and the local communities needs to have control over their education institutions, not the federal government.
People want free stuff, earn it. Community service is just one of may ways. I would support community service projects for those on welfare as well. Why should hard working men and women pay taxes so someone else gets paid to do nothing?
The only way to fix any of this is with job creation, economic growth and development. Reduce the federal government hold over small business (stop the overregulation) fix the tax system. Put America first on all trade deals (as every nation should put their citizens first).
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Work now a days is the worst four letter word you can use to some of this generation.
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Yes I do. I think that in order to get most financial aid you should have to do some form of public service. Not just military, but some form of public service work, like teachers aid or hospital orderly. That education should have to be earned, or paid for by student or family. I have ZERO responsibility to pay for anyone to go to college that does not send me a Father's Day card, call me Daddy, or share my DNA.
Higher Education should be EARNED.
Higher Education should be EARNED.
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SSG Roger Ayscue
PO1 Tony Holland - You know, Clinton's kid is not paying college loans nor is Bush's, nor will Obama's so the rich are the rich and no amount of leveling of the playing field by the government will change this.
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I too do not want to sound harsh. But if college becomes free many will not appreciate it and the next thing will be how do I get this degree without studying?
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Sir, there is a difference between "free" and "affordable" college. How would you explain that my year in French law school was charged less than a thousand dollars in contrast to nearly 60k a year at my current university?
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1LT (Join to see) - 60K per year? Perhaps you have chosen a university that is too expensive.
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Capt (Join to see) - If it wouldn't be for my scholarship, I'd be somewhere else. But a lot of student without the finances still choose to attend..
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1LT (Join to see) - And there is nothing wrong with choosing to attend. But, obviously it is an expensive university. I beleive there are probably more "affordable" choices.
Congratulations on having the scholarship.
Congratulations on having the scholarship.
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Nothing is free. Has to be paid for in some fashion. Blood, sweat and tears. Not everyone is ready or willing to write that check.
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Members of liberal/progressive community forget there are programs that will provide college, medical care and job training. They just need to serve their country. Its pretty simple.
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NO. I do not agree. Maybe that's the Army way of thinking, but if college was an option for Marines, the word (scuttlebutt) certainly did not get around to everybody. Let me clean that up a bit. Off base, and college courses were offered at near by bases. Also and schools. Problem was Marines were on 24 hr. alert at all times. Closest I came to a full term was at Kadina AFB. OK, They still paid for my education. I guss that would count as a freebee. Just had to get that out.
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Personally, it's been my experience that the people who go to college without having to earn it are the ones who waste their time the most. Before the military, I went the college route. I was working 2 jobs at the time to make tuition and balancing my class workload. I could easily spot the difference in the caliber of students from the ones who were having their tuition paid for by their parents. Personally free college is the biggest joke in the world. Some type of sacrifice should be made in order to earn the education. That's the only way you can guarantee it won't be a waste. But like you said... the meme says it all.
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