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What are your thoughts given some basic info? Fraud, Criminal Intent, PTSD & psychology.
An Army infantry soldier completes a first term 4 year enlistment, excited following 9/11. Possibly serves only one overseas tour, and never fires his weapon in combat. Gets out of Army following enlistment and joins Army Guard. Within first year of guard duty (upon orders for overseas tour) claims PTSD threatens to kill his comrades. Is released from duty.
Member has tried for 12 years to get benefits, and finally receives 100% disability. Claims to his family that his PTSD disease is cured. Does not follow psychologists prescriptions, as they are not really needed.
Was member fit for duty when enlisting in the Army Guard? Or did this member fraudulently join having pre-existing condition?
Can this member have concealed carry and go hunting, when he claims PTSD for gunfire?
would you consider this member to be defrauding the government and taxpayer?
Soldier has lied to family members claiming to be heroic sniper, only to reveal as lies later, having never fired his weapon in actual combat. Possibly used similar lies to VA psychologist.
How would you approach situation? VA does not seem to care, and does not offer path for investigation.
An Army infantry soldier completes a first term 4 year enlistment, excited following 9/11. Possibly serves only one overseas tour, and never fires his weapon in combat. Gets out of Army following enlistment and joins Army Guard. Within first year of guard duty (upon orders for overseas tour) claims PTSD threatens to kill his comrades. Is released from duty.
Member has tried for 12 years to get benefits, and finally receives 100% disability. Claims to his family that his PTSD disease is cured. Does not follow psychologists prescriptions, as they are not really needed.
Was member fit for duty when enlisting in the Army Guard? Or did this member fraudulently join having pre-existing condition?
Can this member have concealed carry and go hunting, when he claims PTSD for gunfire?
would you consider this member to be defrauding the government and taxpayer?
Soldier has lied to family members claiming to be heroic sniper, only to reveal as lies later, having never fired his weapon in actual combat. Possibly used similar lies to VA psychologist.
How would you approach situation? VA does not seem to care, and does not offer path for investigation.
Department of Veterans Affairs (VA)
PTSD
Posted 4 y ago
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Fuck'im and his gold brickin' ass! He lied for TWELVE YEARS to get free bennies... he's a scumbag and should be fully prosecuted with 100% of anything gained taken back, plus fines.
If he goes hunting, I hope he wears a brown fur coat with a few branches in his cover!
If he goes hunting, I hope he wears a brown fur coat with a few branches in his cover!
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I spent many months seeing a clinical psychologist from the Vets Center who had been working there for almost 30 years. We spent as much as 2 hours every week going through my life from childhood onward. A lot of the time was spent talking about my 5 combat deployments to Vietnam between 1965 and 1973.
At the end of 4 months he diagnosed me as suffering from moderate to severe PTSD. I am not suicidal nor a threat to others.
I filed a claim for PTSD through a very experienced State veterans advocate who said there should be no problem given my diagnosis and extensive documentation including the long documentation by the Vets Center which was about 20 pages long.
I received an appointment at the closest C&P clinic. I went there and was interviewed by a young woman whose only goal was to fill out a form. Twenty minutes later she showed me the door. About a month later I got the letter from the VA. They agreed that I suffered from moderate to severe PTSD however not due to my service. I joined when I was 17 and my family was intact and good.
I guess my point is that the VA is doing a lousy job of processing PTSD claims even when their own medical professionals make accurate diagnosis.
At the end of 4 months he diagnosed me as suffering from moderate to severe PTSD. I am not suicidal nor a threat to others.
I filed a claim for PTSD through a very experienced State veterans advocate who said there should be no problem given my diagnosis and extensive documentation including the long documentation by the Vets Center which was about 20 pages long.
I received an appointment at the closest C&P clinic. I went there and was interviewed by a young woman whose only goal was to fill out a form. Twenty minutes later she showed me the door. About a month later I got the letter from the VA. They agreed that I suffered from moderate to severe PTSD however not due to my service. I joined when I was 17 and my family was intact and good.
I guess my point is that the VA is doing a lousy job of processing PTSD claims even when their own medical professionals make accurate diagnosis.
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That the VA is uninterested in investigating what sounds like genuine fraud is no surprise to me; the gov't seldom investigates Medicare or Medicaid fraud either.
That said, it IS possible to suffer PTSD from even brief exposure to traumatic events, although it's more common with repeated exposures over time. However, what is highly unlikelyis the "instant cure" upon receiving 100% disability benefits, without treatment. If he'd claimed such a cure from Jesus, I might believe it, should the evidence be there. But the disability check is NOT Jesus. Neither has it ever been known to "cure" anything, except financial woes. The reality is PTSD is seldom "cured"; 1 simply learns ways to control it better, over time, and with practice, and to cope with it. So the claim of a cure, without therapy, and no need for psychological help and support, rings hollow and off key. That there are other fraudulent claims, from this individual only strengthen the appearance of fraud in this issue as well.
Whether it was pre-existing or not, I can't say for certain, but it seems unlikely, although it is possible to enter service while suffering PTSD that's undiagnosed. Combat is not its only cause. Should he be licensed to use firearms, if he's claiming gunfire as the basis? Probably not, especially without treatment.
PTSD is genuine and debilitating, but it can also be "faked", and I suspect that to be the case here.
That said, it IS possible to suffer PTSD from even brief exposure to traumatic events, although it's more common with repeated exposures over time. However, what is highly unlikelyis the "instant cure" upon receiving 100% disability benefits, without treatment. If he'd claimed such a cure from Jesus, I might believe it, should the evidence be there. But the disability check is NOT Jesus. Neither has it ever been known to "cure" anything, except financial woes. The reality is PTSD is seldom "cured"; 1 simply learns ways to control it better, over time, and with practice, and to cope with it. So the claim of a cure, without therapy, and no need for psychological help and support, rings hollow and off key. That there are other fraudulent claims, from this individual only strengthen the appearance of fraud in this issue as well.
Whether it was pre-existing or not, I can't say for certain, but it seems unlikely, although it is possible to enter service while suffering PTSD that's undiagnosed. Combat is not its only cause. Should he be licensed to use firearms, if he's claiming gunfire as the basis? Probably not, especially without treatment.
PTSD is genuine and debilitating, but it can also be "faked", and I suspect that to be the case here.
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SP5 Ron Rowland
I sit her drinking my coffee, I am very comfortable. I am also 100 percent disabled.
The VA check every month is needed but it does nothing to the demons I face every day.
PTSD is not curable, money is the way the VA treats PTSD. I am 75 years old and still attend VA treatment once a week to help me cope. Without the VA, I would be doing terrible things, I never miss my mental health meds.
The VA check every month is needed but it does nothing to the demons I face every day.
PTSD is not curable, money is the way the VA treats PTSD. I am 75 years old and still attend VA treatment once a week to help me cope. Without the VA, I would be doing terrible things, I never miss my mental health meds.
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People develop PTSD for a variety of reasons so its difficult to say he does not have PTSD. Sounds to me like he is doing a con job and all the signs are there. Sounds like he does have some mental health issues and should be mandated to participate in psych. help to get any payments. Group, therapy, private counseling, whatever, but he needs to do. No one just wakes up one day and says, " It's a miracle, I have been healed from PTSD!" It doesn't work that way.
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Yeah I was told identifying my best friends headless body wasn't a traumatic event. That I don't have severe enough trauma for a PTSD rating. But even after a complete facial reconstruction multiple surgeries to pull metal and stone out of my hand and dealing with epilepsy from multiple brain injuries I only got 90% but because I have epilepsy I'm not allowed to work and get 100% unemployable. I have to have another surgery in January. thanks God I have my wife and she's takes care of me she found me seizing on the ground almost dead and got me to the V.A. and they still didn't want to give me a rating for epilepsy.
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I hate the nomenclature of PTSD. What the fuck is PTSD? What happens to a traumatized individual human animal is not about a pissing contest. What matters is if the Endocrine System can not sustain enough Estrogen to quell the Fear Extinction it presents a " PTSD " symptom. Neuroendocrinologists know very well how the Hormones work for " PTSD ". However Society teaches us since birth falsely, that Estrogen is Pink and Girl, get her a pink cap. And Testosterone male, give him a blue beanie and a cigar, and a chain to swing. The reality of it all despite $$ Claims for Service Connected Disabilities is, if there were no $$ Rewards for Mental Trauma there would be far fewer Combat PTSD Claims. When in Combat its expected to get nuts, and PTSD is almost impossible to incur. Its the out of nowhere crazy shit like getting raped, or sitting there in a fighting position and have some Korean whore jump in there with you offering kimchee and you reach down find a dick and discover it was being filmed for a cat food commercial. Its shit like this causes PTSD. Fear Extinction is what the real scientists call it. The only thing that works in these freaky times of Korean hookers or rape and other far out things is our Hormones. All you tough guys, so you say you been through such and such, if you are unscathed and PTSD Free you owe it to the Estrogen you are able to tap into internally. I am not calling y'all pansies or " women "; I am saying true scientifically you have the ability to light up the internal Estrogen ( tap into your femme ) and quell the fear ). The too real men that gotta slap other dudes butts and talk sports are afraid to ignite that femme and get PTSD. https://www.nature.com/articles/npp2015180 All this is scientific facts and proven https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4757430/ I wish the VA did away with Service Connected Claims and Compensation so us real PTSD folks could get some help. You punks that piss far and play the game get money, and what else. No help. Because you dont have PTSD. You just put on a good show and entertain the VA like fucking prostitutes. Thats all you are. Fucking whores!
Stress has a critical role in the development and expression of many psychiatric disorders, and is a defining feature of posttraumatic stress disorder (PTSD). Stress also limits the efficacy of behavioral therapies aimed at limiting pathological fear, such as exposure therapy. Here we examine emerging evidence that stress impairs recovery from trauma by impairing fear extinction, a form of learning thought to underlie the suppression of...
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PTSD as far as DSM is relatively loose. I have Chronic Trauma Syndrome. I am not Service Connected for it and do not even mess with the VA with my Service Connected issues only because the VA is so adversarial and for them to act I am forced to have to " act the part " and that is death for me. Its like one has to put on a really good show. I will not even talk to the VA. That is not a good place to go for help with Service Connected problems. The biggest mistake I ever made in my life was enrolling in VA Healthcare. I now go to Civilian Professionals and every single one of them tells me I am doing good, that the majority of my " Problems " other than the physical ( I broke my neck C1 C2 in the Army, took 6" of M-16 bayonet through my Achilles Tendon, cooked by Patriot Missile Radar frying my kidneys, hit in the face with a C-130 doing 350mph, multiple parachute injuries, bilateral hernias, Decompression Illnesses Types I & II ( I did 14 Months in Tripler alone for this one ) went off a 45' cliff in a gun jeep one night, attacked by a C02 Fire Extinguisher in an APC after we hit a bomb crater and broke down, the fire extinguisher broke the top off and shot around like a missile trying to kill me, busted me up good. And more. ) The point is you can not go to the VA for these things. Their only job is to deny you of anything and deny anything ever happened. Better off going to Iran for treatment. Or better yet forget about the military and seek local help likein Austin Texas here we have things the VA can not mess with, and a Soldier can get help.
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They are plentiful and sickening! The VA has allowed this to get out of hand!
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Nobody can ever know what is going on in someone else's head. So nobody is ever gonna prove anything. Either the USG didn't detect they were enlisting an insane person in the first place, so it isn't his fault, or, he really has PTSD for whatever reason, and it isn't his fault. I suspect the first from this minimal info.
And, the VA gets so much criticism, some probably true and some probably not, they aren't going to step into this ever, I bet. If they do nothing, they don't get criticized. If they do something, they might and probably would for picking on veterans who have PTSD....
And, the VA gets so much criticism, some probably true and some probably not, they aren't going to step into this ever, I bet. If they do nothing, they don't get criticized. If they do something, they might and probably would for picking on veterans who have PTSD....
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