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What are your thoughts given some basic info? Fraud, Criminal Intent, PTSD & psychology.
An Army infantry soldier completes a first term 4 year enlistment, excited following 9/11. Possibly serves only one overseas tour, and never fires his weapon in combat. Gets out of Army following enlistment and joins Army Guard. Within first year of guard duty (upon orders for overseas tour) claims PTSD threatens to kill his comrades. Is released from duty.
Member has tried for 12 years to get benefits, and finally receives 100% disability. Claims to his family that his PTSD disease is cured. Does not follow psychologists prescriptions, as they are not really needed.
Was member fit for duty when enlisting in the Army Guard? Or did this member fraudulently join having pre-existing condition?
Can this member have concealed carry and go hunting, when he claims PTSD for gunfire?
would you consider this member to be defrauding the government and taxpayer?
Soldier has lied to family members claiming to be heroic sniper, only to reveal as lies later, having never fired his weapon in actual combat. Possibly used similar lies to VA psychologist.
How would you approach situation? VA does not seem to care, and does not offer path for investigation.
An Army infantry soldier completes a first term 4 year enlistment, excited following 9/11. Possibly serves only one overseas tour, and never fires his weapon in combat. Gets out of Army following enlistment and joins Army Guard. Within first year of guard duty (upon orders for overseas tour) claims PTSD threatens to kill his comrades. Is released from duty.
Member has tried for 12 years to get benefits, and finally receives 100% disability. Claims to his family that his PTSD disease is cured. Does not follow psychologists prescriptions, as they are not really needed.
Was member fit for duty when enlisting in the Army Guard? Or did this member fraudulently join having pre-existing condition?
Can this member have concealed carry and go hunting, when he claims PTSD for gunfire?
would you consider this member to be defrauding the government and taxpayer?
Soldier has lied to family members claiming to be heroic sniper, only to reveal as lies later, having never fired his weapon in actual combat. Possibly used similar lies to VA psychologist.
How would you approach situation? VA does not seem to care, and does not offer path for investigation.
Department of Veterans Affairs (VA)
PTSD
Posted 4 y ago
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I am the father of someone with severe PTSD. Eight years in the USMC. He had been involved in severe combat under brutal conditions with Special Forces units in Iraq and Afghanistan. Everything from 12 hour firefights to IED explosions with mass casualties. My son hid his PTSD for many years. He even was doing assignments for the Presidents SS detail. He was self medicating and only went in for help to the VA when his life had spiraled out of control and he was suicidal. They resist getting help and most others will tell you the same thing. It's a fine line to shame someone for "faking it" unless you walked in their shoes and you were there. To many combat vets die from suicide. To deny someone help when it is there, would be worse than pulling the trigger for them.
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SPC Andrew Toombs
I totally understand, I know what that family life is like, bits and clues growing up in it ... Alot you want to talk about, but you can't find the right people to talk to who can figure an equation between 800 to 1 minutes and what is 30 seconds overtime and we are not talking football, how did you get the extra trick or treat. well, I realized there are 13 numbers on a clock if you count zero, or realize that half the alphabet is 13, so how did I time that, I applied that my m29 carried 800 rounds, and that is one minute fully continious fire, so what is 30seconds, another 400,, that makes 1200, and carry 4 magazies on 20 ball 5 tracers for ID location shots ... if the enemy is counting, they will expect you out, they won't expect the 30 seconds. What got my "PTSD" was voices in my head that saved my life ... little white like, and voice saying dad its safe lets go, whiile i am relaxing smoking a cigarette after checking on afriend who I heard some chumps were potting to Rape ... She went to work safely, i relaxed and saw the light ... perhaps I was just overheated ... that is what i thought, then a breaze blew out my cigarette ... and I was having problems lighting it .. so I left it .. look for a shaded cool area, which was a bomb shelter ,,, and I went in, drank my water .. 5 minuites, the motar alarm goes off .. from a few remote far explosions, then a near one, you can see the dust from where I was just at ... after about an hour of wait, i went back to view the area, you can see chip marks on the rock i was sitting ... years later I told my dr when he asked if I ever heard voices, I told him about this incident which I never told anyone except the friend I was watching over (I was married at that time, she ended up coming to the wedding ceremony). I never told anyone else, not even my wife. Zoua told me sometimes you need to listen and it is not the same speech you are used to. But back to the Dr, he wanted to give me some wacky pills, I said no, I rather hear my children.
So in regards to your son, I don't know what they give him, but Buspirone, which is a new medicine for anxiety I find works really good, calms me from getting heated in conversation, makes it easier for me to chose thoughts versus sometimes want to act out ... as for nightmares, try 5HTP, I have had success, and same with others I know. It is herbal over the counter, you can get it at walmart, non addictive, no withdrawls, just use it as when you realize the symptoms ... Tell you son to try writting a log book, and tell him you value his privacy and will not read it until you decide to share it ... and will not accuse him. Took me awhile to get me get that to work with my parents. My dad understood, my mom did since she is from Siagon ... tells alot there. Rest of family tries to, I ended up snapping ... I felt like a total craphole for it, and don't even want to show my face around family anymore or much of society, especially after the police beating, but believe it or not, the police department which the assaults came from .. they fired their crooked officers, and the rest try to talk and see how I am doing when I get a chance to talk to them ... It really helps alot. I could not forsake our police ... only those who chose to underscore USA like Kahole Colin Kreapernick which it is just a matter of time given he is up in Seattle trying to get back in the NFL.
I had to give Nate Boyer infor on Kahole's contributions to terrorist groups ... Boyer was really shocked ... I met another soldier who went to the same high school with Kahole .. and the man is a POS ... but enough of that. I wish your son success with taming the nightmare and flare ups inside ... Here is a good Buddha meditation chant song I think you find it like a cleansing strength, especially when he learns to convert the energy into something what answers to him, not him reasoning with it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O7_T-pttS0E&t=124s When you listen to it, the Hmon sound is a chant which thoughts are a like a blank line to fill in with a sentence, it takes practice to synchronize a sentence that fits, and ... well when you listen to it the first time, just learn to waddle a little and the chime is a reset, and or like a period of the sentence to the next hmon sound which is where you formulate your sentence, from a blank mind you pick a topic to work with, something that bothers you and search through the words and what you can and find opposites that you can build a solution. After you have gotten that set to stay within the sentence and chime, you learn to step with the bass .. You can also practice Martial Arts, Yoga to this, it totally does help, you find your aches, then you can sort through that , and help cure from with in .. i personally like to get this song stuck in my head so when I go to the pool, I remember the beats when i am in the water and fight the water so I push out away from, repelling the negative, and find myself. But is not a 100% cure, the cure comes from the willingness of the will, and that is something the will has to resolve, and it can be dangerous because the person can lose track. I been through the VA treatments that mimic this .. I advise if you show this to your son, let him find a quiet place. Other music I like is Phil Collins (Instrumental remixes of like Tonight Tonight Tonight, In the air tonight Remix) ... I find music with less lyrics better ... I would avoid RAP, because it is pollution. You might remmeber this onehttps://http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fRMf3wKBCPo Sometimes nice female soothing song that can inspire, nice one is from Julie Thompson Falling https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fRMf3wKBCPo This is really upbeat. I hope this helps. let me know. It took me A LONG time to find good music,
So in regards to your son, I don't know what they give him, but Buspirone, which is a new medicine for anxiety I find works really good, calms me from getting heated in conversation, makes it easier for me to chose thoughts versus sometimes want to act out ... as for nightmares, try 5HTP, I have had success, and same with others I know. It is herbal over the counter, you can get it at walmart, non addictive, no withdrawls, just use it as when you realize the symptoms ... Tell you son to try writting a log book, and tell him you value his privacy and will not read it until you decide to share it ... and will not accuse him. Took me awhile to get me get that to work with my parents. My dad understood, my mom did since she is from Siagon ... tells alot there. Rest of family tries to, I ended up snapping ... I felt like a total craphole for it, and don't even want to show my face around family anymore or much of society, especially after the police beating, but believe it or not, the police department which the assaults came from .. they fired their crooked officers, and the rest try to talk and see how I am doing when I get a chance to talk to them ... It really helps alot. I could not forsake our police ... only those who chose to underscore USA like Kahole Colin Kreapernick which it is just a matter of time given he is up in Seattle trying to get back in the NFL.
I had to give Nate Boyer infor on Kahole's contributions to terrorist groups ... Boyer was really shocked ... I met another soldier who went to the same high school with Kahole .. and the man is a POS ... but enough of that. I wish your son success with taming the nightmare and flare ups inside ... Here is a good Buddha meditation chant song I think you find it like a cleansing strength, especially when he learns to convert the energy into something what answers to him, not him reasoning with it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O7_T-pttS0E&t=124s When you listen to it, the Hmon sound is a chant which thoughts are a like a blank line to fill in with a sentence, it takes practice to synchronize a sentence that fits, and ... well when you listen to it the first time, just learn to waddle a little and the chime is a reset, and or like a period of the sentence to the next hmon sound which is where you formulate your sentence, from a blank mind you pick a topic to work with, something that bothers you and search through the words and what you can and find opposites that you can build a solution. After you have gotten that set to stay within the sentence and chime, you learn to step with the bass .. You can also practice Martial Arts, Yoga to this, it totally does help, you find your aches, then you can sort through that , and help cure from with in .. i personally like to get this song stuck in my head so when I go to the pool, I remember the beats when i am in the water and fight the water so I push out away from, repelling the negative, and find myself. But is not a 100% cure, the cure comes from the willingness of the will, and that is something the will has to resolve, and it can be dangerous because the person can lose track. I been through the VA treatments that mimic this .. I advise if you show this to your son, let him find a quiet place. Other music I like is Phil Collins (Instrumental remixes of like Tonight Tonight Tonight, In the air tonight Remix) ... I find music with less lyrics better ... I would avoid RAP, because it is pollution. You might remmeber this onehttps://http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fRMf3wKBCPo Sometimes nice female soothing song that can inspire, nice one is from Julie Thompson Falling https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fRMf3wKBCPo This is really upbeat. I hope this helps. let me know. It took me A LONG time to find good music,
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Unfortunately many soldiers enlist in the Army with some degree of PTSD due to any trauma PRIOR to and had nothing to do with combat. It becomes an issue or comes out due to deployment or some other event in the military. Screenings will not capture this. Sometimes the person doesn’t even know. Now...should the VA provide benefits for PTSD? Absolutely not. If it’s found that the PTSD was not caused during service (yes we know it doesn’t have to be combat related( but they should be entitled to counseling and meds to treat the symptoms that allow as normal a life as can be expected
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Your comment is obtuse at best. The condition would be aggravated by military service therefore covered. Looks like we found another dirt bag "leader".
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I am yet to meet someone who questions PTSD claims that isn’t a blue falcon. Fight me.
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What part of loadmaster training qualified you to question the assume that made by medical professionals? That’s right, none, stay in your lane. Your entire questions is as assed out as saying “you don’t look disabled” to someone.
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SSG Paul Endes get bent looser. This post is two years old… Take your toxic excuse for leadership on down the road.
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i've been trying to get the military to understand my state of mine with my depression and everything please try to make understand
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Since the Gulf War PTSD has permanently change the landscape that once was my life no longer sleep I can't go out of my house I question even the smallest of my position and I'm always in fear that the conditions that I do make made for the wrong reason if I had the ability to give up this affliction... I would I think younger people think getting out of the military automatically means a free paycheck this is not a paycheck you want trust me I have first-hand Knowledge from the VA that I go to of seeing younger military veterans preparing in the hallway to go into their meeting with their psychologist and a psychiatrist to show how Disturbed AR in order to achieve suitable for their needs
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PFC Earnest Ruffin
i have been trying to get help from the military since i been out of the military please tell me what i have to do
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SPC Andrew Toombs
PFC Earnest Ruffin - Answer honestly, you might want to take some times at a library and read medical terms, books are better because you can recite a publication
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First and foremost, it's very shameful for any veteran who frauds not only the system, but Veterans who really have PTSD....
As a nurse who did SSD medical reviews, there was a Veteran who was granted 100% SC for PTSD and was granted SSD. VA appeared to believe this person was fraudulent so they informed the Veteran, "PTSD is temporay", therefore the Veteran has to have an annual assessment to continue the 100%. The sad part was, they Veteran filed bankruptcy and informed his VA therapist he was moving to Costa Rica...
As a nurse who did SSD medical reviews, there was a Veteran who was granted 100% SC for PTSD and was granted SSD. VA appeared to believe this person was fraudulent so they informed the Veteran, "PTSD is temporay", therefore the Veteran has to have an annual assessment to continue the 100%. The sad part was, they Veteran filed bankruptcy and informed his VA therapist he was moving to Costa Rica...
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None of us know; it's in the hands of the military and seems they are not investigating, so we can't pass judgment. If your statements result from official investigation that's a different story.
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If I were running the show, I rather money gets out and helps gets care to those because we can recooperate from those who are straight up phonies, it is a bad situation to have misdiagnosis and those with real difficult situations end up on the streets of no hope ... But location has alot to do with this problem too. Like I am in Puget Sound WA, and nothing on the west side of Rainer is affordable. Apartments are 1600, but you have to make 2x that to qualify. So unless you are married or roommating .. you see where that is going. And those on the streets, they have no means to get anywhere, and the medical services are designed to trap people in the state. WA pretty bad. I wish I never moved back here. If it ain't a medical trap then it is a court trap year to clear case, year on probation, and a following year check up. I can't say for other states, but I know with my 70%, I can live and not have to ever work in other states, I can focus on a garden and enjoy college like it was high school. Problem for me, is that I am 45yrs of age ... no one hires a 50yr old graduate with felonies ....
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We must have compassion. Society must be compassionate for those soldiers, sailors, airman, and Marines, who suffered war’s trauma! We must struggle to be honest with ourselves. Concerning awarding PTSD benefits today seems trivial. First as taxpaying US citizens we *should look* at US war history, and combat US forces suffered. For instance D Day’s Normandy’s death on the beaches. The retaking of Guam from the Japanese, where the Marines suffered 10,000 KIA in 24 hours. We must remember the deaths in Luxembourg, and Belgium, during the Battle of the Bulge. Back in the mid to late 1970’s the job I worked in, I worked with disabled veterans. Over a couple of years I interviewed many veterans from World War 2 to the present in the 70’s. Again reminding you this was the 1970’s.
One veteran whose papers on my desk survived the Bataan death march. The death march was after the surrender of his US Army unit in the Philippines. He joined the Army prior to Pearl Harbor in the spring of 1941, soon after he was given orders to the Philippines. His weight 1941 was over 200 pounds. Discharged in 1946 his weight was well under 130pounds! He was told by the VA (the mid 70’s) his problem was alcohol abuse, implying his problem he came from an ethnically, and socially disadvantaged background. The VA rejected his medical claim saying there was no record in his medical history indicating he had any problems such as stomach problem. It did not matter to the VA at that time 90% of his Army service was as a prisoner of War (POW) of the Japanese.
Another a brown water Navy veteran divorced. His wife left him for another man when he was in Vietnam. He was boat captain of a landing craft ( I think they called the landing craft; a gun boat the Monitor). The boat was used to transport soldiers. I think he transported soldiers from the US Army’s 9th Infantry division. At the end of his mission each time he had to wash his boat, Each time after a mission his boat deck was covered with blood from his crew or the soldier’s his boat transported.
Another was a Marine who served in the 9th Marines. He served in the same unit the Marine veteran interviewed in the documentary Ken Burns concerning the Vietnam war. After coming home from Vietnam he could not stay in one place. The Veterans Administration said his problem was a character disorder.
Lastly my great uncle veteran of the US Army in the Philippines. (US committed many atrocities against the Philippines) This shortly after the Spanish American war. As a front line trench soldier in France, he was suffered gas. An ongoing medical untreated problem. After the 1929 Wall Street crash he got drunk burned all his chickens and his barn down. Going on a big drunk he was never again seen by his family. You do not get PTSD driving a bus National Guard troops to the airport to fight in Iraq.
One veteran whose papers on my desk survived the Bataan death march. The death march was after the surrender of his US Army unit in the Philippines. He joined the Army prior to Pearl Harbor in the spring of 1941, soon after he was given orders to the Philippines. His weight 1941 was over 200 pounds. Discharged in 1946 his weight was well under 130pounds! He was told by the VA (the mid 70’s) his problem was alcohol abuse, implying his problem he came from an ethnically, and socially disadvantaged background. The VA rejected his medical claim saying there was no record in his medical history indicating he had any problems such as stomach problem. It did not matter to the VA at that time 90% of his Army service was as a prisoner of War (POW) of the Japanese.
Another a brown water Navy veteran divorced. His wife left him for another man when he was in Vietnam. He was boat captain of a landing craft ( I think they called the landing craft; a gun boat the Monitor). The boat was used to transport soldiers. I think he transported soldiers from the US Army’s 9th Infantry division. At the end of his mission each time he had to wash his boat, Each time after a mission his boat deck was covered with blood from his crew or the soldier’s his boat transported.
Another was a Marine who served in the 9th Marines. He served in the same unit the Marine veteran interviewed in the documentary Ken Burns concerning the Vietnam war. After coming home from Vietnam he could not stay in one place. The Veterans Administration said his problem was a character disorder.
Lastly my great uncle veteran of the US Army in the Philippines. (US committed many atrocities against the Philippines) This shortly after the Spanish American war. As a front line trench soldier in France, he was suffered gas. An ongoing medical untreated problem. After the 1929 Wall Street crash he got drunk burned all his chickens and his barn down. Going on a big drunk he was never again seen by his family. You do not get PTSD driving a bus National Guard troops to the airport to fight in Iraq.
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I think it’s an egregious violation of trust. PTSD is a real medical problem for people returning from war and violence. We now have people claiming PTSD from routine military service. To end the fraud the military should put parameters around what actually causes PTSD and not deviate to appease anyone inside or outside the military service.
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