Posted on Jul 31, 2020
MSgt B Grimes
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What are your thoughts given some basic info? Fraud, Criminal Intent, PTSD & psychology.
An Army infantry soldier completes a first term 4 year enlistment, excited following 9/11. Possibly serves only one overseas tour, and never fires his weapon in combat. Gets out of Army following enlistment and joins Army Guard. Within first year of guard duty (upon orders for overseas tour) claims PTSD threatens to kill his comrades. Is released from duty.
Member has tried for 12 years to get benefits, and finally receives 100% disability. Claims to his family that his PTSD disease is cured. Does not follow psychologists prescriptions, as they are not really needed.
Was member fit for duty when enlisting in the Army Guard? Or did this member fraudulently join having pre-existing condition?
Can this member have concealed carry and go hunting, when he claims PTSD for gunfire?
would you consider this member to be defrauding the government and taxpayer?
Soldier has lied to family members claiming to be heroic sniper, only to reveal as lies later, having never fired his weapon in actual combat. Possibly used similar lies to VA psychologist.
How would you approach situation? VA does not seem to care, and does not offer path for investigation.
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PO1 David Cunningham
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Too much fraud going on. Seems like every modern day vet is coming back with PTSD. Even see sailors onboard ships claiming it. We no longer have Spartans in our ranks, we have too many Athenians. I think all recruits shood get a mental evaluation before they go to boot. Maybe it's time to fight our wars with AI and robots as we don't have enough warriors.
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PO1 David Cunningham
PO1 David Cunningham
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I'm sure I'll get drilled for this but I still believe it to be true.
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SFC Wendell Pruitt
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As someone who has helped Dozens, if not a few hundred people navigate their VA claims system, I can speak with some informed knowledge on this subject, Can the VA system be gamed to award a nonsense claim, Yes it can to a small degree. No system is perfect, because it is designed to be done on an individual basis with facts found and verified where possible, a few slip through the cracks as a result. The system also has safeguards built in to weed out false claims, virtually no one gets a disability award based on their own painting of their claim as totally disabling, the actors who try this are very often exposed and flagged in the system for further review and prosecution where appropriate. Most times these actors/posers expose themselves by making wild claims about things with no factually verifiable records to support it. Of all the claims I have helped with only 2 have been questionable nearly from the start, in both cases I told that veteran that I would not be helping them because they either did not have current evidence of a disability in their file or they appeared to have no supporting documentation of an in service injury or incident that could have caused what they claimed, (One claimed his medical records were classified and sealed because of the mission He was involved in), This was laughable because his assignments and primary Duty MOS was as a Generic Generator mechanic that never left the United States. My bottom line is simple here, I judge no veteran who feels they have a legitimate claim and I defer to the VA system and raters on sorting out the facts as law requires.....
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SPC Will Thorson
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The VA gets false claims all the time and they tend to find out the truth. It may take a while, but when they do, whoever claimed false claims will get busted for it. As someone who suffers from PTSD, it's beyond irritating seeing these jerks get disability for false claims while I struggle to get anything changed. It took me years, hell, over a decade to actually get disability for it because i felt guilty. For those that actually suffer from PTSD, get help. Those thst fake it? Go to hell.
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SPC Andrew Toombs
SPC Andrew Toombs
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Blame the street thugs trying to Claim their version of PTSD from the streets ... Blame the RAP artist trying to political soldier ... RAP = Retard Arrogant Poets = RAP, now you C the CRAP?
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SSgt Network Engineer
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PTSD covers more than just combat trauma. Types of events that can lead to PTSD include:
-serious accidents.
-physical or sexual assault.
-abuse, including domestic abuse.
-exposure to traumatic events at work, including remote exposure.
-serious health problems, such as being admitted to intensive care.
-childbirth experiences, such as losing a baby.

Any of the aforementioned items above could happen in the span of someone's military service. Also none of us are qualified mental health professionals. Who are we to determine whether someone's claim is fraudulent. The Department of Veterans Affairs has qualified Mental Health providers that can determine whether the claim is legit. Let's leave that job to the experts.
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SPC Andrew Toombs
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Things is, there are those like myself who don't want the labels, we want out health, we want our home for the time loss in confusion and delays ....
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SSG Edward Tilton
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For a decade the VA rejected every PTSD claim filed. Then when buildings were bulging to explode with claims, they gave up and approved everything. So everyone who suffered anxiety while in the military had PTSD. I recall sitting in groups with “vets” who never saw the enemy and all they talked about was their diabetes.
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SSG John Oliver
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Are you talking about claims submitted before Shinsek?
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SSG Edward Tilton
SSG Edward Tilton
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Shinseki? I am not sure, was there something he did?
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SPC Andrew Toombs
SPC Andrew Toombs
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I got my diabetes from bad pysch meds. I came back for the most part physically healthy, I guess if i am on ibuprofen doing runs to only further slip my L5 in a rotation forward to the point that I could barely get up next morning, and when I finally got an exam at the local Chiropractor which was the only medical I knew close to me, they showed me the xray measurements of the left hip and lower back L5 rotation forward into ab, the L4 L3 aligned with each other but off the main alignment of the back. They went and did adjustments to include my neck, which I nearly puked, I sat up dizzy, nasuea, and felt like puking, luckily I went there without eating breakfast and did not have lunch. My already minor siactia nerve was getting worse, aquatic therapy was the ticket to cure that til I was given a strong non narcotic anti inflammatory which I specifically chose, because i did not want no narcotic meds. Dr wanted to give me Fetyetnal, Xanax, Trasadone ... you freaking kidding me? You might as well sign my death certificate.
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SPC Wayne Blush
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Should be charged and prosecuted.
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SSgt William Bull
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I worked at an AFEES station in ElPaso, TX as part of my second enlistment in the early 1970s and we were still drafting folks so I saw every excuse in the book from folks who were seeking to disqualify themselves from service. Pretending to be homosexual, pretending not to speak English, and many others. Then after the draft ended and the US found itself in an economic hole and the oil fields of west Texas stopped drilling and pumping many of these folks found speaking English was not a problem and supposed homosexuals saw the light became straight and they all wanted a job with benefits. On the other hand, PTSD is never healed, and in the 70s the VA did not have a clue on what to do about it. I hand 21 months of overseas duty in Vietnam one full 13-month tour and an extension. The Marine Corps was desperately short of men for the field companies and support from the weapons platoon, mortors, machine guns, and more, volunteering for extensions was good for promotion and free leave. All this considered I freely admit I was scared shitless almost every day I spent in Vietnam. Upon returning home only the structure of the Marine Corp Brotherhood and my wife and family got me through living with my PTSD on a daily basis.
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SPC Andrew Toombs
SPC Andrew Toombs
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These phonies are clever scam artist, only way to catch them is in violation of their limitations, then report it. I jsut try to avoid being known too much in public to non-veterans unless they are old friends from school.
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MSgt Ronnie Kelly
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And people wonder why the VA is not held in high regard by many
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SPC Andrew Toombs
SPC Andrew Toombs
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I don't think the VA is bad, I think the corruption and coverups that plague it are really bad
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CWO3 Us Marine
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DOD or VA IG investigated? USA Fraud Waste and Abuse hotline still exists? Curious why you ask, your involvement etc. Based on what you shared he might not be best to snitch on, public civic duty and all considered. Just saying.
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SPC Andrew Toombs
SPC Andrew Toombs
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Snitch? sounds you like you got conformed into silence in Jail/Prison
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SSG Harry Outcalt
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as for the c n c , the answer is no in most states, as your dd214 code would be changed to reflect and would show up on a back ground check for a c n c, not sure about the hunting license... Firing a weapon in a combat zone is not a requirement of getting ptsd, a high stress environment can induce ptsd , as for the Va portion only a new evaluation can expose any kind of fraud, but the Va wants to close the cases they have open....
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