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What are your thoughts given some basic info? Fraud, Criminal Intent, PTSD & psychology.
An Army infantry soldier completes a first term 4 year enlistment, excited following 9/11. Possibly serves only one overseas tour, and never fires his weapon in combat. Gets out of Army following enlistment and joins Army Guard. Within first year of guard duty (upon orders for overseas tour) claims PTSD threatens to kill his comrades. Is released from duty.
Member has tried for 12 years to get benefits, and finally receives 100% disability. Claims to his family that his PTSD disease is cured. Does not follow psychologists prescriptions, as they are not really needed.
Was member fit for duty when enlisting in the Army Guard? Or did this member fraudulently join having pre-existing condition?
Can this member have concealed carry and go hunting, when he claims PTSD for gunfire?
would you consider this member to be defrauding the government and taxpayer?
Soldier has lied to family members claiming to be heroic sniper, only to reveal as lies later, having never fired his weapon in actual combat. Possibly used similar lies to VA psychologist.
How would you approach situation? VA does not seem to care, and does not offer path for investigation.
An Army infantry soldier completes a first term 4 year enlistment, excited following 9/11. Possibly serves only one overseas tour, and never fires his weapon in combat. Gets out of Army following enlistment and joins Army Guard. Within first year of guard duty (upon orders for overseas tour) claims PTSD threatens to kill his comrades. Is released from duty.
Member has tried for 12 years to get benefits, and finally receives 100% disability. Claims to his family that his PTSD disease is cured. Does not follow psychologists prescriptions, as they are not really needed.
Was member fit for duty when enlisting in the Army Guard? Or did this member fraudulently join having pre-existing condition?
Can this member have concealed carry and go hunting, when he claims PTSD for gunfire?
would you consider this member to be defrauding the government and taxpayer?
Soldier has lied to family members claiming to be heroic sniper, only to reveal as lies later, having never fired his weapon in actual combat. Possibly used similar lies to VA psychologist.
How would you approach situation? VA does not seem to care, and does not offer path for investigation.
Department of Veterans Affairs (VA)
PTSD
Posted >1 y ago
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I am no lawyer but sounds like fraud and should be investigated . I did four wars and seen combat but one of the worst events in my life was I was on a accident investigation board of a plane crash . 134 fatalities and those working with me suffered PTSD working on this site . Some people react different then others to a crisis and you never know until it happens .
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Am very upset with this member! Took 28 yrs after being wrongfully discharged before I even learned I wz entitled to ANY kind of benefits. Started out by registering for health care--21 yrs ago--immediately seeking treatment for depression I'd been diagnosed for prior to starting treatment at V.A.
Two yrs later, it wz determined depression wz result of PTSD, "injury" incurred upon learning hw my discharge had been handled. I filed claim & wz denied coz, tho stressor had been life-altering, it hadn't been life-threatening.
As IMH client, I became one of their guinea pigs & drugs they administered became their ONLY focus; thruout their experimentation, they NVR considered alleviating my condition by diagnosing it as PTSD--ONLY way it could be considered service connected.
This member claims his condition no longer exists & he no longer requires treatment. I stopped medicating coz I didn't care to be experimented on; I believe PTSD cn be regulated but in NO WAY believe it cn be cured.
If this member believes he's been cured, I believe he has managed to defraud the V.A. As I write this, it's all I cn do to maintain composure to keep words coming; all I cn to do keep tears from clouding my view. Brings back painful memories of living in Corpus Christi 40 yrs ago--naval base that included Marine training. Wz painful riding Metro from one side of town to another coz of going thru naval base.
Am irate that this member, supposedly suffering from PTSD, could then enlist in Army Guard, considering USMC/DoD manipulated my honorable discharge in such way that I could neither reenlist in ANY OTHER branch nor could I hope for advancement as civilian employee....& yet V.A./DoD deny responsibility or compensability for my having PTSD!
Two yrs later, it wz determined depression wz result of PTSD, "injury" incurred upon learning hw my discharge had been handled. I filed claim & wz denied coz, tho stressor had been life-altering, it hadn't been life-threatening.
As IMH client, I became one of their guinea pigs & drugs they administered became their ONLY focus; thruout their experimentation, they NVR considered alleviating my condition by diagnosing it as PTSD--ONLY way it could be considered service connected.
This member claims his condition no longer exists & he no longer requires treatment. I stopped medicating coz I didn't care to be experimented on; I believe PTSD cn be regulated but in NO WAY believe it cn be cured.
If this member believes he's been cured, I believe he has managed to defraud the V.A. As I write this, it's all I cn do to maintain composure to keep words coming; all I cn to do keep tears from clouding my view. Brings back painful memories of living in Corpus Christi 40 yrs ago--naval base that included Marine training. Wz painful riding Metro from one side of town to another coz of going thru naval base.
Am irate that this member, supposedly suffering from PTSD, could then enlist in Army Guard, considering USMC/DoD manipulated my honorable discharge in such way that I could neither reenlist in ANY OTHER branch nor could I hope for advancement as civilian employee....& yet V.A./DoD deny responsibility or compensability for my having PTSD!
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I was treated for PTSD by VA doctors and still could not get it put on my list of things wrong with me. This has nothing to do with hunting or concealed carry unless he was forced by a judge to be hospitalized.
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First, unless your a trained mental health worker and he’s not in any danger to himself or others then just mind your business.
If you in fact contacted the VA and by your post I believe you did and claimed he’s falsely claiming PTSD then I take my hat off to the VA for not taking action.
Now, if you were concerned that he may harm himself or others that would be a different story. Until you g t your Doctorate in the field of mental health I suggest you just keep your nose out of his business and worry about your own
If you in fact contacted the VA and by your post I believe you did and claimed he’s falsely claiming PTSD then I take my hat off to the VA for not taking action.
Now, if you were concerned that he may harm himself or others that would be a different story. Until you g t your Doctorate in the field of mental health I suggest you just keep your nose out of his business and worry about your own
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ptsd has nothing to do with what you've been through especially with the DSM 5. It has everything to do with how psychologically resilient you are. However everyone has their individual breaking point. And I wanted to point out that the most likely damage from undergoing traumatic events is actual physical brain changes including to its neural pathways. The lifetime prevalence rate for civilian men is around 6.9% for men in Vietnam upwards of 30% for men in Desert Storm 12%.
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I watched a perfectly healthy and capable guy set out to collect 100% disability from the military and succeeded masterfully.. and I couldn't do a thing about it... My hands were tied and if I couldn't hit him head on I wasn't going t hit him at all..... I can't even include the reasons behind or the circumstances of his discharge ... He was the highest ranking enlisted man in his branch of the service... with time in grade and max stripes....
He didn't receive the disability for too long a time as he died of colon cancer just barely into his 60's.
Sometimes you just have to "bite the bullet" and watch the world go by.... He went from being honorable to being a cheat.... and that's how I'll remember him.. a cheat
He didn't receive the disability for too long a time as he died of colon cancer just barely into his 60's.
Sometimes you just have to "bite the bullet" and watch the world go by.... He went from being honorable to being a cheat.... and that's how I'll remember him.. a cheat
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How is it any of your concern? Why don’t you live your life and let him live his?
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GySgt Michael Payne
Yes, unfortunately, it does effect everyone that is at the VA seeking legitimate help... If you have 5000 looking for a check, but other wise healthy, yes, because now the Doctors have to put them in the rotation and it take twice as long to see a Doctor. If you'll spend enough time there you will see them, today is the worst day of their life until they get into the parking lot and its all laughter and fun... I see it every day...
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SP5 Ron Rowland
Mine was also. Thanks for the Internet, I was able to contact a few of my fellow soldiers, many were dead! I was able to create the proof that the VA needed. Some wrote letters and had them notarize. I re-created my records! I had any hours as a door gunner, but could not get those records.
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PFC Martin Potashner
when i went to see a psychiatrist all he talked about was getting rid of my guns that's the help I got for ptsd
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I believe the defrauding of VA benefits you mention happens more times than not. It's also called malingering.
The following is not just my opinion but, fact:
POST 9/11 vets w PTSD have always had LOWEST number of deaths by suicide but, the highest number of VA PTSD grants. With the exception of Special Ops few Post 9/11 active duty saw or did anything that caused PTSD traits. Both IRAQ and AFGHAN Wars have the lowest wounded with Purple Hearts but, have filed for more VA disabilities than all of WWII, Korean & Vietnam War Veterans combined.
14 of the 17 vets who Suicide on a daily basis are Over age 50 Most often Vietnam War Vets Not using the VA.
If DOD returned to proper mental health screenings of recruits for active duty, the DOD would eliminate much of the defrauding taking place now at this astronomical rate. This includes females who entered military service looking for discrimination and sexual harassment. (yes, this does happen as well)
WWII, Korean and Vietnam...etc., Veterans had far more success in transitioning and living a decent life WITHOUT VA PTSD CARE AND/OR VA DISABILITY CHECK. Past war Veterans actually dealt with unthinkable trauma and I’m positive they suffered but, most did find some peace and happiness.
Today there are many VSO's that have incredible Wash DC lobbying capabilities for increasing Post 911 Veterans VA benefits. These same VSO's will not help any WWII, Korean & Vietnam War Veterans even though they advertise to the general public that they are a non profit to assist Veterans and not specifying which group of Veterans they assist. (more defrauding of Americans)
The following is not just my opinion but, fact:
POST 9/11 vets w PTSD have always had LOWEST number of deaths by suicide but, the highest number of VA PTSD grants. With the exception of Special Ops few Post 9/11 active duty saw or did anything that caused PTSD traits. Both IRAQ and AFGHAN Wars have the lowest wounded with Purple Hearts but, have filed for more VA disabilities than all of WWII, Korean & Vietnam War Veterans combined.
14 of the 17 vets who Suicide on a daily basis are Over age 50 Most often Vietnam War Vets Not using the VA.
If DOD returned to proper mental health screenings of recruits for active duty, the DOD would eliminate much of the defrauding taking place now at this astronomical rate. This includes females who entered military service looking for discrimination and sexual harassment. (yes, this does happen as well)
WWII, Korean and Vietnam...etc., Veterans had far more success in transitioning and living a decent life WITHOUT VA PTSD CARE AND/OR VA DISABILITY CHECK. Past war Veterans actually dealt with unthinkable trauma and I’m positive they suffered but, most did find some peace and happiness.
Today there are many VSO's that have incredible Wash DC lobbying capabilities for increasing Post 911 Veterans VA benefits. These same VSO's will not help any WWII, Korean & Vietnam War Veterans even though they advertise to the general public that they are a non profit to assist Veterans and not specifying which group of Veterans they assist. (more defrauding of Americans)
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GySgt Michael Payne
Well said, Even the USDOL has put moneys out there for Vietnam Vets as a priority. So someone in the government see the need but like everything else, the different Departments of our Government do not talk to each other...
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