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What are your thoughts given some basic info? Fraud, Criminal Intent, PTSD & psychology.
An Army infantry soldier completes a first term 4 year enlistment, excited following 9/11. Possibly serves only one overseas tour, and never fires his weapon in combat. Gets out of Army following enlistment and joins Army Guard. Within first year of guard duty (upon orders for overseas tour) claims PTSD threatens to kill his comrades. Is released from duty.
Member has tried for 12 years to get benefits, and finally receives 100% disability. Claims to his family that his PTSD disease is cured. Does not follow psychologists prescriptions, as they are not really needed.
Was member fit for duty when enlisting in the Army Guard? Or did this member fraudulently join having pre-existing condition?
Can this member have concealed carry and go hunting, when he claims PTSD for gunfire?
would you consider this member to be defrauding the government and taxpayer?
Soldier has lied to family members claiming to be heroic sniper, only to reveal as lies later, having never fired his weapon in actual combat. Possibly used similar lies to VA psychologist.
How would you approach situation? VA does not seem to care, and does not offer path for investigation.
An Army infantry soldier completes a first term 4 year enlistment, excited following 9/11. Possibly serves only one overseas tour, and never fires his weapon in combat. Gets out of Army following enlistment and joins Army Guard. Within first year of guard duty (upon orders for overseas tour) claims PTSD threatens to kill his comrades. Is released from duty.
Member has tried for 12 years to get benefits, and finally receives 100% disability. Claims to his family that his PTSD disease is cured. Does not follow psychologists prescriptions, as they are not really needed.
Was member fit for duty when enlisting in the Army Guard? Or did this member fraudulently join having pre-existing condition?
Can this member have concealed carry and go hunting, when he claims PTSD for gunfire?
would you consider this member to be defrauding the government and taxpayer?
Soldier has lied to family members claiming to be heroic sniper, only to reveal as lies later, having never fired his weapon in actual combat. Possibly used similar lies to VA psychologist.
How would you approach situation? VA does not seem to care, and does not offer path for investigation.
Department of Veterans Affairs (VA)
PTSD
Posted >1 y ago
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They VA does investigate those people, it just takes finding the file and realizing it. I have a hard enough time sorting through my medical file
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PTSD is the most abused and fraudulent claim there is. I know first hand about 3 soldiers that conspired and told the same stories so that they could all get benefits.
That being said, PTSD is also the hardest thing to disprove as it affects everyone differently. PTSD can also manifest itself years after the fact.
Unless the individual has bragged about gaming the system, some things should be left alone.
That being said, PTSD is also the hardest thing to disprove as it affects everyone differently. PTSD can also manifest itself years after the fact.
Unless the individual has bragged about gaming the system, some things should be left alone.
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SPC Andrew Toombs
yeah, those folks you have to catch them in the act. For me, I been dealing with this respiratory issue. I never wanted to file VA, i wanted to be cured, so I could switch over from Communications US Army to Fly the A10 USAF. But thanks to interference thanks to BS civilian owners who got me caught up in the corruption, it costed me 12+ yrs. I went in for pyshc eval, and what I thought was minor injuries were actually pretty serious. I never though that a simple slip roll of an ankle with 1300 rounds, m249, L4 Anti peircing plates, and 6 liters of water ... nice little roll, make the ankle swoll, so bad I could not even put my shoes on next day, so thank the Ibuprofen, but later on when i tried to make a switch over from Communications to Satelite to get an assignment to Afghan, thanks to this high speed religious 1sgt, my ID card got punched because the Recruiter, thanks to Seattle traffic did not make it on time. I could have made the last extension and done a full med evaluation ... Never got that, so I have this HUGE 4 yrs gap in my medical records.
People have called or considered me phony til they saw the xrays, and see the tilted L5 vertebrae, then their attitude changes real fast, but the VA has misdiagnosed, refused to believe my own diagnosis, medical records missing, but thankfully I have my personal copies, I make sure I keep copies. Then the VA re-diagnosis, saying symptoms non exist for respiratory, then I come down with Asthmatic Pnuemonia ... I like to know how one fakes that. Pretty dangerous and scarey when you SPO2 oxygen absorbtion drops to 81% when you in a sleep study ... how do you fake that? how do you fake water in the knees, and swollen ankles. My pyshc .. I can prove my divorce, tell me that don't affect people, and you want to take a review of the jerkwads I dealt with who need a bracelet made of their teeth ... I rather walk away from the liabilities of all that non-sense, but when you make your investment into a marriage to get ripped off and stabbed in the back ... Wow, that makes laugh at this William Smith Slap, what a puke.
So I really never really played games, unless it was Grand Turismo in the barracks with a 6 pak of Hienken, how do you get PTSD from that ... I already had a bad car accident, I and I was sober ... I honestly hope those phonies are caught. And as for telling people how I got hurt, sure, I tell them to go repeat it, my experience was pretty painful, and now i have a fatty liver condition, probably had it before, but that is just found, so .. now what ... I would find happiness with some land that I can grow a nice Garden and enjoy watching my Rabbits while enjoying Bugs Bunny and being able to laugh without choking on a congest build up in my left lungs ... Go fake that.
I am not aiming that you Sir, I am just disappointed with this crap. because it is like these scam artist are getting these high benefits while the really injuried are neglected/forgotten.
Here is an issue I met in jail out of lakewood WA. Guy named Sanchez, murdered his wife, choked her in his sleep, what made him blackout was the stress of the divorce and lost of his $30k enlistement thanks to his ex wife party and filing for custody of his son, after coming back from afghan (16kills, 6 by his hands, so he said to me in jail, told no one else). People in jail wanted to kill him over his ex wife, i told them I would take on who ever steps in first and whoever next, I am not having this Street thug pride built up on a Veteran ... Sir, i tell you, I sometimes don't know who the enemy is anymore, it just blends in such that only the eyes can tell better than the eyes who is more ugly amoungst the bad, and there is not much good left. but back to Sanchez, .. as far as I know he never got any help ... no resources to coordinate a seperation and retrieval ... pretty harsh ... I hope the US military got him back to Texas to be closer to Family. My thoughts on this is that Veterans who are caught up in legal concerns should not be mixed with the local inmates, and these Scamming Schemers, I like for them to make an additional extension at Leavenworth to pay back the time.
People have called or considered me phony til they saw the xrays, and see the tilted L5 vertebrae, then their attitude changes real fast, but the VA has misdiagnosed, refused to believe my own diagnosis, medical records missing, but thankfully I have my personal copies, I make sure I keep copies. Then the VA re-diagnosis, saying symptoms non exist for respiratory, then I come down with Asthmatic Pnuemonia ... I like to know how one fakes that. Pretty dangerous and scarey when you SPO2 oxygen absorbtion drops to 81% when you in a sleep study ... how do you fake that? how do you fake water in the knees, and swollen ankles. My pyshc .. I can prove my divorce, tell me that don't affect people, and you want to take a review of the jerkwads I dealt with who need a bracelet made of their teeth ... I rather walk away from the liabilities of all that non-sense, but when you make your investment into a marriage to get ripped off and stabbed in the back ... Wow, that makes laugh at this William Smith Slap, what a puke.
So I really never really played games, unless it was Grand Turismo in the barracks with a 6 pak of Hienken, how do you get PTSD from that ... I already had a bad car accident, I and I was sober ... I honestly hope those phonies are caught. And as for telling people how I got hurt, sure, I tell them to go repeat it, my experience was pretty painful, and now i have a fatty liver condition, probably had it before, but that is just found, so .. now what ... I would find happiness with some land that I can grow a nice Garden and enjoy watching my Rabbits while enjoying Bugs Bunny and being able to laugh without choking on a congest build up in my left lungs ... Go fake that.
I am not aiming that you Sir, I am just disappointed with this crap. because it is like these scam artist are getting these high benefits while the really injuried are neglected/forgotten.
Here is an issue I met in jail out of lakewood WA. Guy named Sanchez, murdered his wife, choked her in his sleep, what made him blackout was the stress of the divorce and lost of his $30k enlistement thanks to his ex wife party and filing for custody of his son, after coming back from afghan (16kills, 6 by his hands, so he said to me in jail, told no one else). People in jail wanted to kill him over his ex wife, i told them I would take on who ever steps in first and whoever next, I am not having this Street thug pride built up on a Veteran ... Sir, i tell you, I sometimes don't know who the enemy is anymore, it just blends in such that only the eyes can tell better than the eyes who is more ugly amoungst the bad, and there is not much good left. but back to Sanchez, .. as far as I know he never got any help ... no resources to coordinate a seperation and retrieval ... pretty harsh ... I hope the US military got him back to Texas to be closer to Family. My thoughts on this is that Veterans who are caught up in legal concerns should not be mixed with the local inmates, and these Scamming Schemers, I like for them to make an additional extension at Leavenworth to pay back the time.
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Too much fraud going on. Seems like every modern day vet is coming back with PTSD. Even see sailors onboard ships claiming it. We no longer have Spartans in our ranks, we have too many Athenians. I think all recruits shood get a mental evaluation before they go to boot. Maybe it's time to fight our wars with AI and robots as we don't have enough warriors.
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As someone who has helped Dozens, if not a few hundred people navigate their VA claims system, I can speak with some informed knowledge on this subject, Can the VA system be gamed to award a nonsense claim, Yes it can to a small degree. No system is perfect, because it is designed to be done on an individual basis with facts found and verified where possible, a few slip through the cracks as a result. The system also has safeguards built in to weed out false claims, virtually no one gets a disability award based on their own painting of their claim as totally disabling, the actors who try this are very often exposed and flagged in the system for further review and prosecution where appropriate. Most times these actors/posers expose themselves by making wild claims about things with no factually verifiable records to support it. Of all the claims I have helped with only 2 have been questionable nearly from the start, in both cases I told that veteran that I would not be helping them because they either did not have current evidence of a disability in their file or they appeared to have no supporting documentation of an in service injury or incident that could have caused what they claimed, (One claimed his medical records were classified and sealed because of the mission He was involved in), This was laughable because his assignments and primary Duty MOS was as a Generic Generator mechanic that never left the United States. My bottom line is simple here, I judge no veteran who feels they have a legitimate claim and I defer to the VA system and raters on sorting out the facts as law requires.....
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The VA gets false claims all the time and they tend to find out the truth. It may take a while, but when they do, whoever claimed false claims will get busted for it. As someone who suffers from PTSD, it's beyond irritating seeing these jerks get disability for false claims while I struggle to get anything changed. It took me years, hell, over a decade to actually get disability for it because i felt guilty. For those that actually suffer from PTSD, get help. Those thst fake it? Go to hell.
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SPC Andrew Toombs
Blame the street thugs trying to Claim their version of PTSD from the streets ... Blame the RAP artist trying to political soldier ... RAP = Retard Arrogant Poets = RAP, now you C the CRAP?
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PTSD covers more than just combat trauma. Types of events that can lead to PTSD include:
-serious accidents.
-physical or sexual assault.
-abuse, including domestic abuse.
-exposure to traumatic events at work, including remote exposure.
-serious health problems, such as being admitted to intensive care.
-childbirth experiences, such as losing a baby.
Any of the aforementioned items above could happen in the span of someone's military service. Also none of us are qualified mental health professionals. Who are we to determine whether someone's claim is fraudulent. The Department of Veterans Affairs has qualified Mental Health providers that can determine whether the claim is legit. Let's leave that job to the experts.
-serious accidents.
-physical or sexual assault.
-abuse, including domestic abuse.
-exposure to traumatic events at work, including remote exposure.
-serious health problems, such as being admitted to intensive care.
-childbirth experiences, such as losing a baby.
Any of the aforementioned items above could happen in the span of someone's military service. Also none of us are qualified mental health professionals. Who are we to determine whether someone's claim is fraudulent. The Department of Veterans Affairs has qualified Mental Health providers that can determine whether the claim is legit. Let's leave that job to the experts.
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SPC Andrew Toombs
Things is, there are those like myself who don't want the labels, we want out health, we want our home for the time loss in confusion and delays ....
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For a decade the VA rejected every PTSD claim filed. Then when buildings were bulging to explode with claims, they gave up and approved everything. So everyone who suffered anxiety while in the military had PTSD. I recall sitting in groups with “vets” who never saw the enemy and all they talked about was their diabetes.
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SPC Andrew Toombs
I got my diabetes from bad pysch meds. I came back for the most part physically healthy, I guess if i am on ibuprofen doing runs to only further slip my L5 in a rotation forward to the point that I could barely get up next morning, and when I finally got an exam at the local Chiropractor which was the only medical I knew close to me, they showed me the xray measurements of the left hip and lower back L5 rotation forward into ab, the L4 L3 aligned with each other but off the main alignment of the back. They went and did adjustments to include my neck, which I nearly puked, I sat up dizzy, nasuea, and felt like puking, luckily I went there without eating breakfast and did not have lunch. My already minor siactia nerve was getting worse, aquatic therapy was the ticket to cure that til I was given a strong non narcotic anti inflammatory which I specifically chose, because i did not want no narcotic meds. Dr wanted to give me Fetyetnal, Xanax, Trasadone ... you freaking kidding me? You might as well sign my death certificate.
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I worked at an AFEES station in ElPaso, TX as part of my second enlistment in the early 1970s and we were still drafting folks so I saw every excuse in the book from folks who were seeking to disqualify themselves from service. Pretending to be homosexual, pretending not to speak English, and many others. Then after the draft ended and the US found itself in an economic hole and the oil fields of west Texas stopped drilling and pumping many of these folks found speaking English was not a problem and supposed homosexuals saw the light became straight and they all wanted a job with benefits. On the other hand, PTSD is never healed, and in the 70s the VA did not have a clue on what to do about it. I hand 21 months of overseas duty in Vietnam one full 13-month tour and an extension. The Marine Corps was desperately short of men for the field companies and support from the weapons platoon, mortors, machine guns, and more, volunteering for extensions was good for promotion and free leave. All this considered I freely admit I was scared shitless almost every day I spent in Vietnam. Upon returning home only the structure of the Marine Corp Brotherhood and my wife and family got me through living with my PTSD on a daily basis.
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SPC Andrew Toombs
These phonies are clever scam artist, only way to catch them is in violation of their limitations, then report it. I jsut try to avoid being known too much in public to non-veterans unless they are old friends from school.
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SPC Andrew Toombs
I don't think the VA is bad, I think the corruption and coverups that plague it are really bad
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