Posted on Jul 31, 2020
MSgt B Grimes
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What are your thoughts given some basic info? Fraud, Criminal Intent, PTSD & psychology.
An Army infantry soldier completes a first term 4 year enlistment, excited following 9/11. Possibly serves only one overseas tour, and never fires his weapon in combat. Gets out of Army following enlistment and joins Army Guard. Within first year of guard duty (upon orders for overseas tour) claims PTSD threatens to kill his comrades. Is released from duty.
Member has tried for 12 years to get benefits, and finally receives 100% disability. Claims to his family that his PTSD disease is cured. Does not follow psychologists prescriptions, as they are not really needed.
Was member fit for duty when enlisting in the Army Guard? Or did this member fraudulently join having pre-existing condition?
Can this member have concealed carry and go hunting, when he claims PTSD for gunfire?
would you consider this member to be defrauding the government and taxpayer?
Soldier has lied to family members claiming to be heroic sniper, only to reveal as lies later, having never fired his weapon in actual combat. Possibly used similar lies to VA psychologist.
How would you approach situation? VA does not seem to care, and does not offer path for investigation.
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Cpl Alfonso Holguin
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He is lazy and is scamming the system
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MSG Reid Zohfeld
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I was actually encouraged to claim PTSD
I shocked The reply I was given was I was away from my family so I had to it
I still refuse to claim it
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HN Thomas Roundtree
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I served in the navy as a hosptial corpsman with marine infantry, worked as a Veterans Service Officer and currently work for the DVA as a legal administrative assistant and I would say that based on my experience every servicememver and/or veteran perceives experiences differently from the next. One who may has never fired his/her weapon may deal with the same or even more trauma then one who did so on a regular basis. There's not a cookie cutter solution or means to diagnose PTSD, even though VA tries. I myself felt bad for even filing a claim after my service being i thought that since my extremities weren't missing or I didn't kill someone in combat that I didn't have a legitimate reason to file. Yet looking back at how my life was in shambles and the abuse those around me endured after my first few years of leaving service I have no question as to what was going on. I would also say that most doctors know that some conditions can never be "cured". One of them being PTSD. It's only suppressed or the person doped up on so many meds that their a zombie and don't perceive reality anymore. So many veterans choose to forego them. If the veteran is claiming to be cured this may be a part of the delusion which is still symptomatic of PTSD. It seems your speaking from the perspective of being a civilian and never having served in any capacity. Usually civilians are more concerned and upset about the monetary benefits veterans receive and not understanding of the what we have to endure from boot camp to EAS. Combat is not the only mechanism that can cause PTSD.
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PFC Michael Lewis
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I am not a psychologist
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LCpl Steve Smith
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Like Many have stated PTSD is not just a Combat Related thing, it can happen to anyone for just about any reason. Also, when one joins the military even in a Grunt Unit the military tells you if or when you see Combat not you lol so those that don't even when they sign up during a Conflict or war to do so might not even see combat, does that make them less of a service member? They didn't have a choice in the matter so why be upset about it? 100% of the Combat Vets I've met and interacted with have told me be glad that I never saw combat and that they are happy I didn't have to because they don't want anyone to ever have to go through what they did Old and Young. Now the kid in question being a faker or not is really not anyone's place to say since he has gone through the crazy hoops and months to years of doctor evaluations of all sorts to get rated 100%. We don't know what other mental issues the kid might have nor do we know the specificts of his medical evaluation preformed by the VA. Yes he could be scamming the system, there are scammers everywhere, so it is a possibility, but Scammers are less then 1% of the veterans being rated and being approved for payments and or treatment. Is it right to Scam the system? No, but the VA has approved him so he's legit as far as they are concerned. Like I said we don't know what's in his Medical Records so going off of 3rd party hearsay is not proof of any wrong doing.
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CMDCM Gene Treants
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Post Traumatic Stress Disorder (PTSD) is not limited to those who are exposed to combat or even those in the military. After I retired I went back to school and worked and earned a degree in Psychology. Unless I had more information and sat down with the individual, I would not begin to try to diagnose him/her state of PTSD.

Any of us could have some degree of PTSD from trauma suffered in the military or civilian life. As a Counselor, I have spoken to adults who were raped and never got over the trauma, yet they are not combat veterans. As a CPS investigator and supervisor, I have observed children who were severely abused and suffered from PTSD.

MSgt B Grimes your supposition is possible in every way. The member could have faked it from the beginning or not. Did he have a preexisting condition when joining the ANG? Possible. Now prove it. Unless s/he has a documented mental condition that disqualifies him/her from a CC or any other reason for owning a firearm, why would you try to take away his/her 2nd Amendment rights? This is a case for the VA and other mental professionals to determine by interview and treatment if needed, not me in an RP Forum.
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SPC Andrew Toombs
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VA totally modified and further rearranged my creditials, and I late on got sick really bad. You scenario sounds like a person that should not have been in. But then, it is not like Active duty medical keeps a good status health record. I think there should be bi-yearly physical check ups in the medical on active duty personnel, it would help ID who can deploy, and helps with sorting out injury related disabilities
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FN Steve Heglmeier
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I don't know his triggers, (no pun intended). It's hard to say what's in someone else's head.

I always loved dogs, then I went to a business, and their dog looked at me like it was friendly. I looked away and the dog was on me before I was able to turn back to it. It tore up my arm and did a lot of nerve damage which still gives me problems to this day. I was in the hospital for four days. It wasn't just a dog bite, they couldn't get the dog to release and he tore into the bone as well. I had a lot of problems with all dogs after that for some time. Then I purposely put myself around friends' dogs, even took care of them including giving the dogs pills. It's a weird thing with anxiety and PTSD, it hits you at the most inopportune time. You can be fine around dogs, then something I can't explain hits you and you're around a girlfriend's dog and you freeze up. All over again you see the blood gushing from your arm and just have to get out of there. I've gotta say, it's a good way to change girlfriends.

Others that I love have dealt with anxiety and depression over other things. Even doctors will tell you the meds take at least a month to see if they're even going to work. With my dad, we probably tried a dozen drugs. It ripped my heart out to see him gripped with depression after his heart problems. He went from very outgoing, to rarely going out. Then one day he got up and he was back again. Five years later he was coming home from church, froze, and we had to go get him. He refused to drive after that and was paralyzed with depression, wouldn't go out, for the last 3 years of his life. Otherwise, he was healthy, the doctors said all his other organs were in great shape. The doctors said it was the anxiety and depression that killed him. But he was 89, and if I make it to 89, I want it said that old age was the cause of my death.

We should know much more about mental illness. But the billionaires are too busy trying to go to Mars, than to do some real good with all that money, like solving our mental health crisis. The brain is an organ just like the liver or kidneys, and if one had a problem with any other organ they'd seek treatment. But our country judges people who have MI and we can't treat it as effectively as other organs of the body. Then, when you put on top of that, a person who enjoys shooting or hunting, people will want to take your guns away if they know you have issues, it forces many to hide their MI. That just compounds the problems. I'm currently holding guns for a friend whose wife said he had issues. They gave me the guns to hold while things calm down. And they both agreed that I only give back the guns when both of them are satisfied with the treatment he's getting, as well as both of them as a couple, and his adjustment to his new meds. MI is a difficult problem for our entire country, not just our veterans.

The best therapy for someone with a fear is to face it.
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CDR R. Mark Lusted
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Here is something similar that happened a couple of months ago. Let me get your thoughts.
My wife and I were getting her retired spouse ID renewed at the Clay Army National Guard Center near Atlanta. It was one of those pandemic arrangements where you wait outside in the parking lot until called. An energetic young man, mid 20’s, walked out of the ID Office and headed to the retro Dodge Challenger parked next to us. I guessed he had waited a long time, so I asked him if he had gotten what he had come for. He grinned and said, “I’m retired.” Then he showed us his new Medical Retiree ID. I was surprised, but I assumed there was some good reason for his medical retirement. He asked me how long I had been in the service, and I told him 22 years. Then, without me asking any further questions, he volunteered the following.
He had served one hitch. During his enlistment, he had witnessed an automobile accident while he was off base and off duty. At the scene of the accident, he had held two of the victims as they died. Undoubtedly a very traumatic situation. When he got to the end of his hitch, he got out of the Army with no disability. Then he started talking to other veterans in the area, and they advised him to go to the VA and see if he couldn’t get enough disability on the basis of PTSD to have a medical retirement; apparently there was a website that provided additional instructions. At the VA, because he had had the trauma at the automobile accident, they identified him as having PTSD and gave him sufficient disability to get a medical retirement. He currently has a job working construction.
The last thing he said to me before he drove off, “With the 22 years you had in the service, I’ll bet there is something they can find where they can give you a medical retirement.”
So, in summary, here are the facts: (1) A young vet (2) medical retirement ID (3) no noticeable disfunction (4) according to the vet, the basis for the retirement was non-service-related PTSD.
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LCpl Bradley Hintz
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Grimey MF you should be ashamed of yourself for even posting such nonesense!
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