Posted on Aug 22, 2014
CPT Aaron Kletzing
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Recently, I had a long and heated discussion with a fellow veteran about this issue. I don't know for sure whether a branch-specific reg or a DoD-wide reg exists that prohibits/allows personnel on a military installation to display the Confederate flag on their personal vehicle or on their person (e.g. a belt buckle). Maybe this is a base-specific policy and left to the judgment of the installation commander. Display of the Confederate flag is a divisive issue and people often feel really strongly one way or the other. But today, it is still a relevant topic and touches on other military leadership/discipline areas, including the actions of one member deeply offending another member -- regardless of whether said action is legal/authorized. That can create huge problems in a military unit, and this happened in a unit I personally served in. So, below are my questions for the RallyPoint community about this issue.

Please try to keep comments professional (don't attack one another) and explain your thoughts as best you can.

Questions:
(1) How do you feel about the Confederate flag being displayed on the vehicle/person of a service member if he/she is ON post? How does your opinion change if the member is OFF post?
(2) What does the Confederate flag symbolize to you personally? What do you think it can symbolize to other people around you who may perceive it differently?
(3) If you have personally experienced a military-related situation where a symbol/flag caused someone to be offended, what happened and what did you/would you have done as the leader?

I look fwd to everyone's thoughts on this. Personally, I have some strong feelings about this issue, though I don't want to bias people's answers upfront. Please be as honest as possible.

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SP5 Hank Vandenburgh PhD
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I don’t have strong feelings about this, but, when I was at Ft. McClellan in 1962, members of the Alabama National Guard wore the Confederate Battle Flag above one of their front pockets on their fatigues.
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MAJ Thomas Amsler
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During WWII, the 45th Infantry Division was composed largely of Hopi, Navajo, Zuni, and other southwest tribal members. Their divisional insignia was a yellow swastika on a red diamond. The swastika was a religious symbol in their indigenous religion, but because of the swastika's affiliation with the Nazis, it was changed to a thunderbird. I am a southerner. To me, the confederate flag represents courage, élan, and a sense of home... in fact, when I was a young Marine, what it really represented to me was Lynyrd Skynyrd and the Atlanta Rhythm Section. However, our flag has been conscripted by a bunch of wet-brained racists to represent their idiotic dogma, and is a symbol of hatred to many people. So, the bottom line is this: use the manners that your mama taught you. Don't go out of the way to offend people. As an American, you have the right to display whatever you want (as long as it doesn't directly incite violence), but as a human being, you should demonstrate respect for other people's feelings. Caveat: I'm not talking about the I'm-so-special snowflakes. I'm talking about your buddies.
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SFC Ralph E Kelley
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This applys to all subjects not just the Confederate Flag or the UNIA Flag.
Ok - if you're offend then say it up front to the person AND THEN WALK AWAY. You don't have to explain why or lecture the person. You don't have to cry or whine or nag. You do have the responsibility to speak your mind then shut up.
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The Confederate flag needs to be relegated to museums, not displayed on bumpers.

There is so much disinformation being pushed at our youth about the causes of the Civil War and the symbolism. Here’s my take:

1. The Civil War was about economics. In fact, economics divides our country well before. The North actually came close to seceding because of Jefferson’s Embargo Act, to the extent that Madison’s administration persuaded Congress to declare war on Britain. This is a classic play, repeated many times since.

2. The Civil War, by extension, was about the preservation of slavery. Abolishing slavery would impact the Southern economy, which is why their political leaders fought so hard to preserve it.

3. The Union screwed up Reconstruction. The reforms were aggressively imposed to the extent that we immediately had a handful of Black Congressmen for a while. Then the federal government left the South, creating space for the KKK to rise.

4. The monomers were erected during the first and second KKK surges and after the Brown decision. These monuments and all the schools that are named for Confederate leaders, were by design with the intent of reminding Blacks of their inferior status. Ergo for displaying Confederate flags.

5. Facing a threat to their control of the system, the white minority of the South fought as hard to preserve the status quo as Blacks did to exercise their right to vote. We aren’t not truly past the Civil Rights era and displays of the Confederate flag show that we are not finished with our efforts to achieve equality.
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MAJ Shannon Read
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The flag was flown over American soil by American soldiers. Their bodies are in graves in our National cemeteries. Lincoln forgave them. It should be treated no different than any versions of the stars and stripes.
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CPT Melanie Ryan
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The Confederacy was an enemy of the United States. No one who swears an oath to protect and defend (the US) Constitution has any business flying the Confederate, or any other enemy flag.
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SSG Steven Pike
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I am from Vermont and I have a Texas mother, so I have family who fought on both sides. I offer exactly the same respect to my Union and my Confederate ancestors. I am not offended by the Confederate flag and its display does not bother me. It does not matter where it is displayed. I am absolutely uninterested in whether or not the flag offends someone. The military is not a place where sensitive feelings are nurtured. Whenever I see the latest hysteria over the Confederate flag or monuments, I look to Gen. Joshua Chamberlain's words, who took the surrender of Lee's army at Appomattox. It explains why this country did not dissolve, as it well could have done, into years of insurrection and guerilla warfare. Men like Chamberlain and Lee put aside their swords and respected each other In Chamberlain's words "T he momentous meaning of this occasion impressed me deeply. I resolved to mark it by some token of recognition, which could be no other than a salute of arms. Well aware of the responsibility assumed, and of the criticisms that would follow, as the sequel proved, nothing of that kind could move me in the least. The act could be defended, if needful, by the suggestion that such a salute was not to the cause for which the flag of the Confederacy stood, but to its going down before the flag of the Union. My main reason, however, was one for which I sought no authority nor asked forgiveness. Before us in proud humiliation stood the embodiment of manhood: men whom neither toils and sufferings, nor the fact of death, nor disaster, nor hopelessness could bend from their resolve; standing before us now, thin, worn, and famished, but erect, and with eyes looking level into ours, waking memories that bound us together as no other bond;--was not such manhood to be welcomed back into a Union so tested and assured?
Instructions had been given; and when the head of each division column comes opposite our group, our bugle sounds the signal and instantly our whole line from right to left, regiment by regiment in succession, gives the soldiers salutation, from the "order arms" to the old "carry"--the marching salute. Gordon at the head of the column, riding with heavy spirit and. downcast face, catches the sound of shifting arms, looks up, and, taking the meaning, wheels superbly, making with himself and his horse one uplifted figure, with profound salutation as he drops the point of his sword to the boot toe; then facing to his own command, gives word for his successive brigades to pass us with the same position of the manual,--honor answering honor. On our part not a sound of trumpet more, nor roll of drum; not a cheer, nor word nor whisper of vain-glorying, nor motion of man standing again at the order, but an awed stillness rather, as if it were the passing of the dead." That was what men were then.
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SP5 Eddie Morris
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When I was stationed in Korea we couldn’t have a southern flag up but you could have a Africian glad with the black power fist up
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SFC Don Ward
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What is really interesting to me? The animus attached to an inanimate object that has been corrupted by hate groups.
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SPC Travis Hopkinson
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One considering it is their battle flag, and not the actual Flag of the southern states of . I guess if yah want to display it fine with me. i was from the west never mattered to me, had people in the barracks that sometimes i was surprised by who had it in their rooms. If people continue to try to Find fault or problems with just a flag, well what is next there are a lot of things out there. Maybe people should just mind your own business and Love they neighbor a little more.
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