Posted on Aug 22, 2014
CPT Aaron Kletzing
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Recently, I had a long and heated discussion with a fellow veteran about this issue. I don't know for sure whether a branch-specific reg or a DoD-wide reg exists that prohibits/allows personnel on a military installation to display the Confederate flag on their personal vehicle or on their person (e.g. a belt buckle). Maybe this is a base-specific policy and left to the judgment of the installation commander. Display of the Confederate flag is a divisive issue and people often feel really strongly one way or the other. But today, it is still a relevant topic and touches on other military leadership/discipline areas, including the actions of one member deeply offending another member -- regardless of whether said action is legal/authorized. That can create huge problems in a military unit, and this happened in a unit I personally served in. So, below are my questions for the RallyPoint community about this issue.

Please try to keep comments professional (don't attack one another) and explain your thoughts as best you can.

Questions:
(1) How do you feel about the Confederate flag being displayed on the vehicle/person of a service member if he/she is ON post? How does your opinion change if the member is OFF post?
(2) What does the Confederate flag symbolize to you personally? What do you think it can symbolize to other people around you who may perceive it differently?
(3) If you have personally experienced a military-related situation where a symbol/flag caused someone to be offended, what happened and what did you/would you have done as the leader?

I look fwd to everyone's thoughts on this. Personally, I have some strong feelings about this issue, though I don't want to bias people's answers upfront. Please be as honest as possible.

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MSgt John Bowen
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To me it represents heritage. Also, that isn't the Confederate flag but the battle flag of Virginia.
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Lt Col Scott Shuttleworth
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To answer your questions:
(1) How do you feel about the Confederate flag being displayed on the vehicle/person of a service member if he/she is ON post? Private vehile is just like a home...private. They have freedom of speech and should be able to display whenever or wherever it is personally owned.
How does your opinion change if the member is OFF post? None
(2) What does the Confederate flag symbolize to you personally? The flag to me is irrelevant. I am from MS and could care less. The flag is not my flag nor have I ever served under it. It is part of our state flag so I guess it is ok to have it on there as it shows part of our states history.
What do you think it can symbolize to other people around you who may perceive it differently? I think it can be interpreted as Historical and represent heritage...I think to some it can represent hate since it was and is used by hate groups around the nation.
(3) If you have personally experienced a military-related situation where a symbol/flag caused someone to be offended, what happened and what did you/would you have done as the leader? Never experienced it and never had to deal with it.

My editorial-If you play stupid games you win stupid prizes. What I mean is that with actions come consequences. If I chose to eat my French Onion soup with the cheese bubbling from the heat on the top as soon as it arrives, I am going to burn my mouth. Same principle applies to displaying the flag...if you are going to display it then man up and be ready to accept the consequences good or bad. I do believe it is their right to display on private homes, vehicles, motorcycles, RV's etc...I do not think it is acceptable to display it at work, government facilities (Dorms) because then it becomes the voice of the government and we don't serve under that flag. Just my two cents and now I am broke again.
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SGT Mike Ange
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To me the flag is a symbol of southern heritage and is not representative of race suppression. I believe all considerations of symbols and actions must be taken in the context of the times. Changing that context to accommodate more current views distorts the history. We know or have read about POWs who have returned to Vietnam to shake the hands of their captors. Once they were enemies and now friends, these things change but that does not erase the lessons of history. Because that NVA soldier is a friend today does not change the heroism of the American Marine that earned a MOH trying to kill him to save a teammate 50 yrs ago. This is essentially the argument placed in a different context. Less germain but worth mentioning, I also believe that a people who suppresses, misrepresents or erases history is destined to repeat that history.

Just like every other war - the average soldier serving in the Confederate military had no political agenda. He probably had a view on slavery or states rights but it did not impact his service and he certainly had no policy influence on the wars course. He was called upon to serve his state and the evaluation of the character of his service should not change with the views of the politics of the times. The heritage of the civil war soldier on either side is simply a part of history and we should embrace the lessons learned from that history.

With all of that said let me also say, I would never post, wear or display a confederate flag where it offends those with whom I served. Not because of a regulation or a rule or a political agenda. It is simply respect. These are the people you serve with, sweat with and may be called upon to bleed with. I will do everything in my power to have your back and I have to trust that you willl have mine if I serve with you. So shouldn’t we be respectful enough to avoid something so offensive to some of those same teammates especially when it is so easy to avoid? How is this different from pornographic posters where female soldiers serve or symbols condemning a religion. I would also argue that If you need a regulation to force that basic consideration - a little self assessment may be in order.
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CPT Jeff Reichardt
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By congressional act and signed into law by the president at the time, all confederate veterans are to be treated as any other US veteran. I see no reason for this to be an issue.

Me personally, it’s part of American history. Let us not forget.
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SFC Jim Me
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Let me tell you a story about a friend of mine. Way back in 1978 a Buddy of mine, Joe, whom is from NY and black, did not have a drivers license due to the cost to get one in NY and the drivers training classes one had to attend. We were stationed in Ft. Polk La. We got him a book and took him out to drive and he got it all down. I had a 1977 TA Bright Red he was using for the driving part. Well off he and I go to the local License testing branch. He took the written test and passed and so was told the Trooper would meet him out by his car for the driving test. He comes out and says he is about to take the driving test I tossed him the keys. an old(looked like a tree old kinda guy) 6'4" Louisiana Trooper not 10 feet behind him. There were 2 cars in the lot, real busy place back then. One was the old big black titanic Cadillac and my bright red Trans-Am, adorned with the Stars and Bars front plate, inside it had a Stars and Bars flag headliner. So the trooper looks around, heads towards the Caddy, Joe starts towards the T/A. The trooper was half way to the caddy when he noticed Joe not with him. He looked around and saw him headed towards the T/A and quickly headed that way. Once he got there the 1st thing he did was look at the front Stars and Bars plate and kinda looked at Joe. Then he got in immediately looking up up at the Stars and Bars Headliner and back at Joe, again with a puzzled look on his face. He pointed and off they went. Well I watched that trooper keep reflecting up and at Joe as they drove away. I watched the car go out of the lot, down to the 1st road turn around point and right back to the lot to park. The trooper got out and went inside, I asked Joe "WTF over?" He said "all he had me do was turn around after we got got on the road." I asked him if he passed he said "I don't know all he said was turn around and go back, when we got back he simply got out and walked away". I told him to go inside and see. So he did and about 10 -15 minutes later he walks out with his Drivers License in hand. Again I asked him about the driving test and what the trooper said, his reply made us both laugh "the trooper told me if I had balls big enough to drive around in a Bright Red sports car with the Stars and Bars all over it, you deserve to pass". Never judge the books, read the pages in between. Life's good
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LTC Desk Officer
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1. No problem. I’m not inclined to fits of righteous indignation on behalf of unknown third parties who I merely assume would be offended. Also, there is no right not to be offended.

2. Losers who can’t let go. Also, laughable historical revisionism. “States’ rights” to do what exactly? Their ‘right’ to force other states to hunt down and forcibly return escaped slaves.

3. No.
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PO3 Ian Favata
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Great question. I am from South Carolina and here is my opinion. The flag for me represents a most horrific war that killed and maimed more men than all other wars we fought put together. It was a necessary war and as far as I am concerned the Confederate flag deserves a place because it is a reminder of the suffering of slavery and the men that fought on both sides. The cliché that those who don’t remember the past are doomed to repeat it is apro po here. We must honor our past and the struggles we made to strive for equality and doing the right thing. I don’t have anything against people that don’t like the flag but every one of us veterans and those that serve protect the 1st amendment. Whether you like it or not the flag should be allowed to be displayed.
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SSG Mark Matteson
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Nothing wrong with it at all, its a symbol of American Liberty.
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SPC Paul Fiske
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Remember that most of the military are southerners! This is something close to their hearts. It doesn’t mean that they are ‘white’ supremacists. They are patriots!
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SFC Maintenance Control Nco
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There are local policies in place that forbid displaying offensive content. Trouble is defining offensive content. The Army wont let you display the Confederate flag in view of others from your quarters. State flags are fine, other country flags are fine. They used to tell us that it was unprofessional behavior and unbecoming of a SM to display a symbol of hate. My own opinions differ but, again, how do you define offensive content?
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