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If you've been in long enough, you have seen this at least once. You come across a female, she has a mustache, what do you (or did you) do? I was present as another soldier to observe my 1SG tell her politely to either make it meet regs or to take it off. She lost her mind! I don't know what happened after I left the unit but I dont think his approach/execution was wrong.
This is another "slippery slope" topic. I'm genuinely interested in your responses, in today's ever changing Army, this could become something that occurs more often.
This is another "slippery slope" topic. I'm genuinely interested in your responses, in today's ever changing Army, this could become something that occurs more often.
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You tagged "AR670-1" and "Standards" in your post. What part of AR670-1 and what standards is she not complying with? Sounds like you have an issue with those. She was meeting regulations. You were forcing her to comply with your interpretation of those regulations.
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Real touchy subject... I know it's not in the AR 670-1 about female facial hair, so he should have been as tactful as he was. If she had a beard, however (and there are some women with beards), he should be just as careful.
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Interestingly enough I had to shave my mothers face as the folks at the retirement home would not do it. With age it really starts to get much worse for some reason, not a physician or scientist, have no idea as to why, but this is obviously something I don't want to slip on.
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The mustache visible to the left of this text was directly critiqued by my BN CO on perhaps two occasions. Though I may have personally disagreed, I got the message.
I can to some extent sympathize with the person mentioned, but regs is regs and as far as I can recall the facial hair provisions do not mention gender; I'm not at all sure what your Top could have done better.
I can to some extent sympathize with the person mentioned, but regs is regs and as far as I can recall the facial hair provisions do not mention gender; I'm not at all sure what your Top could have done better.
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The AF Reg says that if it "if it is not authorized or mentioned in this AFI, then it is not authorized for wear" it mentions male facial hair standards but doesn't mention female, so females must not be authorized facial hair.
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Are we taking about someone flagrantly disregarding regulations, or someone dealing with a medical condition?
If it's the former (which at age 41 I've never seen in this context), I'd definitely address it. If it's the latter, I wouldn't discuss it at all (unless I was a close friend). I don't believe the AR was made to penalize people dealing with medical or hormonal problems, and if it is, here is one officer that would never allow this silliness to occur in his command.
If it's the former (which at age 41 I've never seen in this context), I'd definitely address it. If it's the latter, I wouldn't discuss it at all (unless I was a close friend). I don't believe the AR was made to penalize people dealing with medical or hormonal problems, and if it is, here is one officer that would never allow this silliness to occur in his command.
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I should like to propose this question in response:
What about the gender confused people that may be coming in soon? How will we enforce facial hair then?
What about the gender confused people that may be coming in soon? How will we enforce facial hair then?
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If a female is displaying a "mustache" she needs to be directed to properly remove it, especially when there are so many techniques nowadays to help remove facial hair, period.
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It's not the fact whether or not there is a regulation enforcing female facial hair. It is now that all service members are to be treated as equals. (That's how it is "supposed to be"). So if myself as a male have to keep my face clean shaven then I believe that it is necessary for females to follow the same regulation. If however the female wishes to point out that there is no regulation on this then it is up to myself or another NCO to point out the fact that we are all held to a higher standard, regulation or not.
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PO3 Jordan W.
I understand your frustration with the way of thinking but if one is required to not have facial hair than we all should not have facial hair. Maybe the regulation needs to be amended. i understand that it is a very touchy subject for a lady with facial hair. shouldn't we all be held to the same standard though?
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