Posted on Nov 20, 2013
For my fellow Army NCOs, have you thought about volunteering for Recruiting assignment? If so, what are some questions you have?
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I plan on volunteering and submitting my packet as soon as I hit my 1-year from DEROS date! (Jan 2015) I'm torn between going the Career Counselor or Recruiter route and I've had great feedbacks on both. If I could submit my packet now I definitely would, can I? I love taking care of not just soldiers but "people." My question is: What are the chances that I'll be able to choose a location and actually get it? I would really like to get a location in Florida or somewhere close by.
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SGT Bransford,
Love the enthusiasm! Definitely suggest you read DA PAM 611-21 and familiarize yourself with the requirements to be either a 79R Recruiter or 79S Career Counselor. The next thing to consider is, do you want to help young people enlist or Soldiers to reenlist/extend? I personally had never thought of the 79S route and love the opportunities to step "outside the box" being a Recruiter affords me. Then, I'd look at comparisons of both MOSs' overall personnel size (over/under strengthed?) and promotion trends. That way you aren't only thinking about the upfront MOS decision but long term career impact or potentials as well.
You do have to wait to hit that 6-12 month from DEROS time frame for OCONUS. Volunteers select a total of 9 battalions within 3 brigades (3 per brigade) in order of preference. If your #1 BN choice is at 99% strength or less, you will be assigned to that BN. If the BN is at 100% strength or more, USAREC G-1 looks at your #2 BN choice. This process will continue until you are assigned to the first BN on your list at 99% strength or less. Nothing says you can't call the BNs and see what strength % they are at. Just saying...
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Been there done that, volunteered got picked-up, went to assignment, only a year in got pulled to be part of the then new combat NCO AIT instructor program, would have rather stayed on the trail.
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SFC Rocky Gannon
Recruiting is a great assignment if you make it into one. You are in charge of your destiny that is why I stayed for 11 years.
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My hat's off to you! Don't think I would have enjoyed an instructor assignment myself.
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I have thought of submitting a packet for recruiting. I am currently at Campbell and have been here for 3 years. I am fenced in and deploying in the coming months and wanted to know when is the best time to submit my packet.<br>
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Yes I thought about it. Is it true single Parents can't request recruiting and/or Drill?
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SGT Chavarin,
First, I commend you for your service. I also hope your deployment goes well and is swift!
You can apply while you are deployed if you are within 120 days of your redeployment. You will be required to submit proof of the redeployment date, a photograph in ACUs and a mental evaluation, along with all other required documents.
As you get closer to your redeployment date, I hope you won't hesitate to reach out for any assistance you might need with submitting you Recruiting assignment application. If you choose Recruiting as the next step in your career progression, my suggestion is have your application ready to be postmarked 120 days from your redeployment date.
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SSG Parker,
Being a single parent is a restriction. However, at this time it can be waived on a case by case basis. Applicants of course would have to provide a Family Care Plan. Another consideration is there must be no marital, emotional, medical, financial or family problems that would hamper duty performance.
Recruiting puts NCOs forefront with our communities and takes them away from the close Army support they are used to. So, there is a need for NCOs who are able to remain disciplined and responsible. There is also a great importance for NCOs who understand working early and sometimes long hours or weekends. The lack of familiar support and predictable hours tends to be an issue for single parents. Not really a single parent's fault. Recruiting is a uniquely challenging and demanding position.
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Thanks for that heads up SFC Pierce. When I went back to my saved link, I didn't see a recruiting station for HI, but I thought I recalled a few Recruiters attending EO class with me from HI. Is that a hidden station or does it really not exist?
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Honolulu Recruiting Company which falls under Portland Recruiting Battalion commands the Recruiting Centers for Hawaii. There are several centers. Best wishes!
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I have been wanting to go Recruiting as soon as I have my first NCOER. I just lifted by stabilization code and am ready to move on to bigger and better things. I love speaking to people about the Army and the benifits that it can provide. I know it changed my life for the better and I know it can for others as well. What all do I need to do to get the ball rolling.
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Do you have facebook? You can access more info on my FB profile at: https://www.facebook.com/pages/III-Corps-Outreach-NCO-79R-Liaison-SFC-Pierce/ [login to see] 90507?ref=hl
If not, let me know and I'll direct you to either the RTR team or the Outreach NCO for your Division or Corps.
Serve as USAREC Ambassador to the Operational Force.
Attract high quality NCOs to volunteer for...
Attract high quality NCOs to volunteer for...
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I heard once you become a recruiter it is hard to leave and do other things with the Army is this true?
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SFC Rocky Gannon
SPC Yelle No if you do your tour which is 3 years you go back to your MOS unless you want to reclassify
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SPC Yelle,
Going to say you probably got some bad intel. There are plenty of 18 series, CSMs to include former Sergeant Majors of the Army and officers that have done Recruiting duty. The truth is regardless if you are DA selected or volunteer, detail recruiters are only on a three year assignment. There are options to extend. Also, if one requests and is selected, one might convert to PMOS 79R. Generally speaking, it's not easy for most to meet the requirements of Recruiting assignment (I.e. credit, moral and service background history).
So, those more junior NCOs who take the assignment and embrace its challenges tend to earn a promotion during that time. Consider the fact promotion boards are required to look favorably upon Recruiting duty in a NCOs history. The hard part I'd say is that detail Recruiters need to stay up to date on and informed of relevant changes within their PMOS. All the NCOs that I have worked with that had good work ethic and understood their leadership/individual challenges went back and have been greatly successful in their original MOSs. Mind you these NCOs are those that strive for 300 APFTs and go to NCO/Sergeant Audie Murphy boards. They made their duties a priority and stayed out of trouble, which is reflected in their NCOERs.
The Army does not hand out opportunities and promotions to those that aren't willing to work for and show they deserve them. Sometimes NCOs come out to Recruiting and find they don't have the leadership qualities to be successful in high demand positions.
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Thank you for the advice when I pick up my 5 I will consider applying for recruiter positions.
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It is a real good idea. I volunteered and wanted Raleigh NC but available posted were decided by how you finished in the class, top in class, first pick. I finished 2nd and was given the choice of Santa Anna Ca or Cincinnati, Oh. I picked Cincinnati as it was closer to Raleigh. I spent 3 years in Cincinnati as field recruiter and then 1 and a half years in Cleveland Oh as Nurse recruiter. I was promoted from Staff Sergeant to Sergeant First Class. As a field recruiter, I earned The Gold recruiter badge with three Sapphires. and I had time enough to graduate from Urbana University with a BS degree. Same choice! without a doubt..............
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Why is it so hard for former recruiters to come back? When I was out there they wouldn't let any convert. I was a very successful recruiter receiving all awards to include medallion but they still wouldn't let anyone stay.
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SFC Grudzinski,
Wish I had an answer for you there. I think a lot of the ill-perceptions and factors that effected the 79R MOS in a negative way in the past up to now stem from the poor leaders and those NCOs they "mentored" during the time-frame you were in USAREC. So, maybe count it a blessing you didn't convert.
Right now, a significant portion of the senior leadership and recruiting force were effected by ALARACT 147. Up side is there is room for the new up-coming senior leaders to grow and bring up more true leaders. Something well needed.
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I recently applied for a recruiting duty tour and was denied because I have no combat deployments. At least I tried.
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SGT Goolsby,
Seriously you were told this? I have no combat experience and I have been in Recruiting since 2002. Wow I would love to hear your story. I'm pretty sure SFC Pierce can assist.
Seriously you were told this? I have no combat experience and I have been in Recruiting since 2002. Wow I would love to hear your story. I'm pretty sure SFC Pierce can assist.
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SGT Goolsby,
Shoot me an email at [login to see] please. Combat deployments are not a part of any requirement for Recruiting assignment. I'm curious about who told you this and how you submitted your application.
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Agree to some extent. Great insight on what some feel is the "right" NCO. Manning strength is a total different subject. And seeing what we are having to deal with in soldiers that are coming in these days I wonder what is really going on with recruiting. Is it a check the block or are we really putting in personnel that really meets the needs of the army? I've seen first hand recruiting is not an easy job! Also, I agree on the married/single soldier/single parent issues. I have had married couples as soldiers have more issues than single soldier/single parents as well. However, as a single parent myself, I always thought that was the purpose of the family care plan. But one can't be bias to what we feel will work for everyone. Again, thanks for the insight.
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SSG Parker,
Hope you are well. Was reading through some CMF analysis and we might see some changes in the future in regards to the single parent issue. Keeping fingers crossed and I will let you know directly as well as post on here if and when that change comes down the pipes.
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SFC Pierce,
Thanks for the quick response. However, isn't that what we as soldiers/NCOs do anyway, being a single parent or not. Work long hours, weekends, holidays and etc; fill positions away from our support, be stable all around being financial, emotional, and etc. And provide a family care plan just to continue our service. And its not just recruiting that is demanding, other MOS's are as well. I know, they are not your rules and regulations and I thank you for answering.
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SSG Parker,
Thank you! While I don't make or sometimes agree with the policies or regulations, I do understand the reasoning behind them. I also agree with your statement of that being what some NCOs do anyways. My personal thought is that historically single parents compared to non-single parents have presented more uncontrollable variables for the Command than desired. If they can control the amount that variable effects mission, they will. Recruiting isn't the only demanding MOS out there by any means.
Some food for thought. If we fail to have the right NCOs in recruiting positions the Command risks having potentially national negative attention. Also, if the Army fails to meet the required number of new enlistments in a given period, the rest of the Army is effected with manning strength needs. These are tough factors the powers that be have to take into account on policies and regulations.
However, from my own experiences I will say that my single parent NCOs rarely have let their personal matters effect work. I've definitely had more issues with married and single NCOs without children. This is likely why they evaluate each applicant on a case by case basis and take the Total Soldier Concept into strong consideration. Just understand, they aren't definitively saying no to single parents. Simply they are looking at whether the Command's mission and the NCO's needs can be met harmoniously.
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I've been looking at for the past 8 months. Just PCS'd to Korea now SFC, but will attempt to drop a packet from here and see what happens. I have connected with a few Recruiters on RP and have fielded a few questions through them. I have a friend who's a Station CDR in Raleigh and an old BN CDR that was BDE CDR of AMEDD Recruiting in Knoxville, so they both gave me excellent advice as well.
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SSG Best,
First, love the last name! Glad to see you seeking advice through your personal network. Always good to get an idea from those that have a direct perspective. Korea was my first duty station several years ago and I'm sure you will enjoy the culture. I'm going to provide you with some info about applying for Recruiting given your current OCONUS status. If you have any other questions, don't hesitate to ask.
BLUF... If you want to apply, start prepping your packet and submit it once you have completed 2 months on station and before you hit your 6th month. For short tour areas (1 year tours) you must have between 6-10 months until DEROS. Also, if you have less than the required 6 months, you probably already have a return assignment, or soon will have one and we cannot get you diverted into the Recruiter Program. If you want to become a Recruiter, you need to apply as soon as you meet the time on station requirement and not wait until you have the minimum amount of time left until DEROS.
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I have been wanting to go Recruiting as soon as I have my first NCOER. I just lifted by stabilization code and am ready to move on to bigger and better things. I love speaking to people about the Army and the benifits that it can provide. I know it changed my life for the better and I know it can for others as well.
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<span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: rgb(51, 51, 51); font-family: 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 14px; line-height: 20px; ">The age standard is: must be at least 21 years old, but not exceed 35. Since you exceed the age limit by ten years, you can apply but you will require waiver. Your waiver will be evaluated at USAREC after a review of your entire application. </span><span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: rgb(51, 51, 51); font-family: 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 14px; line-height: 20px; ">There is also the TIS restrictions. SGT(P) or SSG: maximum 12 years TIS, no TIG restriction.</span>
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I have a question. I recently left USAREC after opting to not convert and to be frank, I miss it. I understand I have to be on station for twelve months before I can reapply, but what is the likelyhood of being selected to return to recruiting? Thanks for any advice and answers.
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SSG Perry,
USAREC isn't currently accepting requests to reclass from outside the command. You may try speaking with your Branch to see if they can select you for a 2nd detailed assignment or not. If so, you could then request to reclass while on assignment.
SFC Pierce
III Corps Outreach NCO
USAREC isn't currently accepting requests to reclass from outside the command. You may try speaking with your Branch to see if they can select you for a 2nd detailed assignment or not. If so, you could then request to reclass while on assignment.
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Best assignment choice I could have made. Awarded Gold badge and 3 saphires in 19 months and before I even went before E-7 board. Spent 4 years in Cincinnati with 1 year as nurse recuriter for north Ohio. Went to the CG too inform him that I had forgotten what it was like in the active army and was given my choice of assignments ( choose Europe in 1980). Loved it ans was well treated
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Good morning. I have a couple questions. I am cuurently assigned OCONUS and have submitted my RtR packet last month. I am now withing the 12 months from DEROS window and just received an email with a ATRRS course reservation for APR 2016, but my DEROS/ETS is FEB2016. When will I be put on assignment and be able to reenlist for this assignment?
Also, and preety important, when do I find out which of my assignment selections I will be going to..
Thanks for the help in advance and have a great week!
Also, and preety important, when do I find out which of my assignment selections I will be going to..
Thanks for the help in advance and have a great week!
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SSG Edwards,
Check with your S1 and schools NCO, they should be able to let you know when you are actually on Assignment Instructions (AI) to USAREC, which should follow closely behind when you received you ATRRS reservation. Once you are on AI it creates the Service Remaining Requirement (SRR) to reenlist or extend your contract to meet the 3 years obligatory requirement from the projected date of reporting to a recruiting battalion. You will need to speak with your unit's Career Counselor to take care of the SRR. 60-45 days out from your DEROS you should receive your Recruiting Battalion and Center assignment. If you don't by this time, contact either myself or SFC Nwizu the Assignments Team NCOIC at [login to see] . Just make sure your DA3822 won't be older than 6 months on the day your report to the Army Recruiter Course (ARC). The Assignments Team will need this and your assignment preference map properly filled out IOT place your assignment. FYI, you will PCS and report to your assigned Recruiting Center prior to going to the ARC.
SFC Pierce
Check with your S1 and schools NCO, they should be able to let you know when you are actually on Assignment Instructions (AI) to USAREC, which should follow closely behind when you received you ATRRS reservation. Once you are on AI it creates the Service Remaining Requirement (SRR) to reenlist or extend your contract to meet the 3 years obligatory requirement from the projected date of reporting to a recruiting battalion. You will need to speak with your unit's Career Counselor to take care of the SRR. 60-45 days out from your DEROS you should receive your Recruiting Battalion and Center assignment. If you don't by this time, contact either myself or SFC Nwizu the Assignments Team NCOIC at [login to see] . Just make sure your DA3822 won't be older than 6 months on the day your report to the Army Recruiter Course (ARC). The Assignments Team will need this and your assignment preference map properly filled out IOT place your assignment. FYI, you will PCS and report to your assigned Recruiting Center prior to going to the ARC.
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Good morning. I have a couple questions. I am cuurently assigned OCONUS and have submitted my RtR packet last month. I am now withing the 12 months from DEROS window and just received an email with a ATRRS course reservation for APR 2016, but my DEROS/ETS is FEB2016. When will I be put on assignment and be able to reenlist for this assignment?
Also, and preety important, when do I find out which of my assignment selections I will be going to..
Thanks for the help in advance and have a great week!
Also, and preety important, when do I find out which of my assignment selections I will be going to..
Thanks for the help in advance and have a great week!
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SSG Edwards,
You need to speak with your Unit's Career Counselor to take care of the reenlistment or extension necessary to meet the Service Remaining Requirement (SRR), which is 36 months from the date you report to your Recruiting BN. So you know, since you are OCONUS, you will report to your Recruiting BN first when you PCS from you DEROS date. You should get the Recruiting BN assignment around 60 days from your DEROS. If not, you need to reach out to the USAREC Assignments Team through the USAREC RTR Team for this. Once you have in-processed with your Recruiting BN, you will then report to the Army Recruiter Course (ARC) TDY, which is the APR 2016 date.
SFC Pierce
III Corps Outreach NCO
You need to speak with your Unit's Career Counselor to take care of the reenlistment or extension necessary to meet the Service Remaining Requirement (SRR), which is 36 months from the date you report to your Recruiting BN. So you know, since you are OCONUS, you will report to your Recruiting BN first when you PCS from you DEROS date. You should get the Recruiting BN assignment around 60 days from your DEROS. If not, you need to reach out to the USAREC Assignments Team through the USAREC RTR Team for this. Once you have in-processed with your Recruiting BN, you will then report to the Army Recruiter Course (ARC) TDY, which is the APR 2016 date.
SFC Pierce
III Corps Outreach NCO
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Currently my report for school is 8 June 15. I went to your facebook page as you suggested, and my question is would it be better for me to fill out and submit my commander packet now to include a mental health eval, and just get a new mental evaluation completed down the road as I get within six months of my school date in order to get a chance at getting an assignment sooner than my second week of school with the mind set being that I won't have an opportunity to receive the assignment email until after the packet is submitted?
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SSG Clark,
Yes, I would complete the CDR's Pkt now and be sure to retake the mental eval again once it will be within the 6 month mark.
SFC Pierce
III Corps Outreach NCO
Yes, I would complete the CDR's Pkt now and be sure to retake the mental eval again once it will be within the 6 month mark.
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I am currently in the process of being da selected for recruiting, what are some things to expect?
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SSG Clark,
If your Branch nominates you and USAREC accepts. You will then receive an email with your Army Recruiter Course Reservation from ATRRS. The HRC Recruiter Team will then send you an email requesting your Commander's Packet to be completed and sent to them within 30 days. The sooner you get this back to them the better. You will then need to coordinate with your Schools NCO to take care of any necessary steps prior to your report date. My best advice would be to become familiar with the following: AR 601-210, AR 40-501, USAREC Manuals 3, 3_0, 3_01 and 3_06. If you have any questions or need assistance, please let me know. Also, if you send me an email to [login to see] , I can send you everything you need for the CDR's Packet and some other additional information for reference as well.
SFC Pierce
III Corps Outreach NCO
If your Branch nominates you and USAREC accepts. You will then receive an email with your Army Recruiter Course Reservation from ATRRS. The HRC Recruiter Team will then send you an email requesting your Commander's Packet to be completed and sent to them within 30 days. The sooner you get this back to them the better. You will then need to coordinate with your Schools NCO to take care of any necessary steps prior to your report date. My best advice would be to become familiar with the following: AR 601-210, AR 40-501, USAREC Manuals 3, 3_0, 3_01 and 3_06. If you have any questions or need assistance, please let me know. Also, if you send me an email to [login to see] , I can send you everything you need for the CDR's Packet and some other additional information for reference as well.
SFC Pierce
III Corps Outreach NCO
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