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Agree to some extent. Great insight on what some feel is the "right" NCO. Manning strength is a total different subject. And seeing what we are having to deal with in soldiers that are  coming in these days I wonder what is really going on with recruiting. Is it  a check the block or are we really putting in personnel that really meets the needs of the army? I've seen first hand recruiting is not an easy job!  Also, I agree on the married/single soldier/single parent issues.  I have had married couples as soldiers have more issues than single soldier/single parents as well. However, as a single parent myself, I always thought that was the purpose of the family care plan. But one can't be bias to what we feel  will work for everyone. Again, thanks for the insight.
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SSG Parker,

 

Hope you are well. Was reading through some CMF analysis and we might see some changes in the future in regards to the single parent issue. Keeping fingers crossed and I will let you know directly as well as post on here if and when that change comes down the pipes.

 

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SFC Pierce,

 Thanks for the quick response. However, isn't that what we as soldiers/NCOs  do anyway, being a single parent or not. Work long hours, weekends, holidays and etc; fill positions away from our support, be stable all around being financial, emotional, and etc. And provide a family care plan just to continue our service. And its not just recruiting that is demanding, other MOS's are as well. I know, they are not your rules and regulations and I thank you for answering.    

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SSG Parker, 

Thank you! While I don't make or sometimes agree with the policies or regulations, I do understand the reasoning behind them. I also agree with your statement of that being what some NCOs do anyways. My personal thought is that historically single parents compared to non-single parents have presented more uncontrollable variables for the Command than desired. If they can control the amount that variable effects mission, they will. Recruiting isn't the only demanding MOS out there by any means. 

Some food for thought. If we fail to have the right NCOs in recruiting positions the Command risks having potentially national negative attention. Also, if the Army fails to meet the required number of new enlistments in a given period, the rest of the Army is effected with manning strength needs. These are tough factors the powers that be have to take into account on policies and regulations. 

However, from my own experiences I will say that my single parent NCOs rarely have let their personal matters effect work. I've definitely had more issues with married and single NCOs without children. This is likely why they evaluate each applicant on a case by case basis and take the Total Soldier Concept into strong consideration. Just understand, they aren't definitively saying no to single parents. Simply they are looking at whether the Command's mission and the NCO's needs can be met harmoniously.
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I've been looking at for the past 8 months.  Just PCS'd to Korea now SFC, but will attempt to drop a packet from here and see what happens.  I have connected with a few Recruiters on RP and have fielded a few questions through them. I have a friend who's a Station CDR in Raleigh and an old BN CDR that was BDE CDR of AMEDD Recruiting in Knoxville, so they both gave me excellent advice as well. 
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SSG Best,
First, love the last name! Glad to see you seeking advice through your personal network. Always good to get an idea from those that have a direct perspective. Korea was my first duty station several years ago and I'm sure you will enjoy the culture. I'm going to provide you with some info about applying for Recruiting given your current OCONUS status. If you have any other questions, don't hesitate to ask.

BLUF... If you want to apply, start prepping your packet and submit it once you have completed 2 months on station and before you hit your 6th month. For short tour areas (1 year tours) you must have between 6-10 months until DEROS. Also, if you have less than the required 6 months, you probably already have a return assignment, or soon will have one and we cannot get you diverted into the Recruiter Program. If you want to become a Recruiter, you need to apply as soon as you meet the time on station requirement and not wait until you have the minimum amount of time left until DEROS.
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I have been wanting to go Recruiting as soon as I have my first NCOER. I just lifted by stabilization code and am ready to move on to bigger and better things. I love speaking to people about the Army and the benifits that it can provide. I know it changed my life for the better and I know it can for others as well.
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Are there any age waivers. I'm 45.
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<span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: rgb(51, 51, 51); font-family: 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 14px; line-height: 20px; ">The age standard is: must be at least 21 years old, but not exceed 35. Since you exceed the age limit by ten years, you can apply but you will require waiver. Your waiver will be evaluated at USAREC after a review of your entire application.&nbsp;</span><span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: rgb(51, 51, 51); font-family: 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 14px; line-height: 20px; ">There is also the TIS restrictions.&nbsp;SGT(P) or SSG: maximum 12 years TIS, no TIG restriction.</span>
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I have a question. I recently left USAREC after opting to not convert and to be frank, I miss it. I understand I have to be on station for twelve months before I can reapply, but what is the likelyhood of being selected to return to recruiting? Thanks for any advice and answers.
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SSG Perry,
USAREC isn't currently accepting requests to reclass from outside the command. You may try speaking with your Branch to see if they can select you for a 2nd detailed assignment or not. If so, you could then request to reclass while on assignment.

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Best assignment choice I could have made. Awarded Gold badge and 3 saphires in 19 months and before I even went before E-7 board. Spent 4 years in Cincinnati with 1 year as nurse recuriter for north Ohio. Went to the CG too inform him that I had forgotten what it was like in the active army and was given my choice of assignments ( choose Europe in 1980). Loved it ans was well treated
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Good morning. I have a couple questions. I am cuurently assigned OCONUS and have submitted my RtR packet last month. I am now withing the 12 months from DEROS window and just received an email with a ATRRS course reservation for APR 2016, but my DEROS/ETS is FEB2016. When will I be put on assignment and be able to reenlist for this assignment?

Also, and preety important, when do I find out which of my assignment selections I will be going to..
Thanks for the help in advance and have a great week!
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SSG Edwards,

Check with your S1 and schools NCO, they should be able to let you know when you are actually on Assignment Instructions (AI) to USAREC, which should follow closely behind when you received you ATRRS reservation. Once you are on AI it creates the Service Remaining Requirement (SRR) to reenlist or extend your contract to meet the 3 years obligatory requirement from the projected date of reporting to a recruiting battalion. You will need to speak with your unit's Career Counselor to take care of the SRR. 60-45 days out from your DEROS you should receive your Recruiting Battalion and Center assignment. If you don't by this time, contact either myself or SFC Nwizu the Assignments Team NCOIC at [login to see] . Just make sure your DA3822 won't be older than 6 months on the day your report to the Army Recruiter Course (ARC). The Assignments Team will need this and your assignment preference map properly filled out IOT place your assignment. FYI, you will PCS and report to your assigned Recruiting Center prior to going to the ARC.

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Good morning. I have a couple questions. I am cuurently assigned OCONUS and have submitted my RtR packet last month. I am now withing the 12 months from DEROS window and just received an email with a ATRRS course reservation for APR 2016, but my DEROS/ETS is FEB2016. When will I be put on assignment and be able to reenlist for this assignment?

Also, and preety important, when do I find out which of my assignment selections I will be going to..
Thanks for the help in advance and have a great week!
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SSG Edwards,

You need to speak with your Unit's Career Counselor to take care of the reenlistment or extension necessary to meet the Service Remaining Requirement (SRR), which is 36 months from the date you report to your Recruiting BN. So you know, since you are OCONUS, you will report to your Recruiting BN first when you PCS from you DEROS date. You should get the Recruiting BN assignment around 60 days from your DEROS. If not, you need to reach out to the USAREC Assignments Team through the USAREC RTR Team for this. Once you have in-processed with your Recruiting BN, you will then report to the Army Recruiter Course (ARC) TDY, which is the APR 2016 date.

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Currently my report for school is 8 June 15. I went to your facebook page as you suggested, and my question is would it be better for me to fill out and submit my commander packet now to include a mental health eval, and just get a new mental evaluation completed down the road as I get within six months of my school date in order to get a chance at getting an assignment sooner than my second week of school with the mind set being that I won't have an opportunity to receive the assignment email until after the packet is submitted?
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SSG Clark,

Yes, I would complete the CDR's Pkt now and be sure to retake the mental eval again once it will be within the 6 month mark.

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Thanks SFC Pierce!
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I am currently in the process of being da selected for recruiting, what are some things to expect?
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SSG Clark,

If your Branch nominates you and USAREC accepts. You will then receive an email with your Army Recruiter Course Reservation from ATRRS. The HRC Recruiter Team will then send you an email requesting your Commander's Packet to be completed and sent to them within 30 days. The sooner you get this back to them the better. You will then need to coordinate with your Schools NCO to take care of any necessary steps prior to your report date. My best advice would be to become familiar with the following: AR 601-210, AR 40-501, USAREC Manuals 3, 3_0, 3_01 and 3_06. If you have any questions or need assistance, please let me know. Also, if you send me an email to [login to see] , I can send you everything you need for the CDR's Packet and some other additional information for reference as well.

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SFC Pierce,

I am very interested in volunteering for recruiting. I was wondering though, if the packet has to be typed or can it be hand written? Also, I've been told by a few people that I must be a SSG before going but I find it nowhere on the RTR site. My last question is, how does one get promoted in a recruiter setting if they are not already Promotable?
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SGT Johnson,

Good to see you resourcing all the social media tools! Okay first, the packet documents can be hand written or typed. Just be mindful of legibility and how hand written documents look when scanned/then printed off again. I would suggest avoiding hand written as much as possible. But either way is okay. Soldiers in the ranks E-5 to E-7 can volunteer for Recruiting Assignments. You will just have to review Time in Service and or Time in Grade standards. E-5s with 10 or more years won't be selected due to RCP considerations. Detailed Recruiters are encourage to and compete for promotions with their PMOS and points requirements like normal. There are boards held at Recruiting Battalions regularly. If a board suggests you be placed into Promotable status and you make points, then you will be promoted no different than anywhere else in the Army.

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How funny that you answered this! I just sent an email asking you the same questions! You have been and continue to be a large help, Thank you so much, SFC Pierce!
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I recently Submittied my volunteer packet and was accepted by USAREC but my Branch (MP) told me that there was no school slots available before my PCS (October 2014). Is this a real thing considering recruiting is currently a hot assignment?
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SGT Scudder,

 

Send me an email with your full name and SSN via encrypted email to [login to see] . I can then check you packet status and see if we can get communication to your branch manager regarding school slots. The last tracker I got showed available slots for schools prior to October 2014 and SMs are deleted for different reasons all the time opening slots in near term classes. So, I don't think that should be a major road block for you.

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I would actually love to do it, but I'm in an Instructor/Writer slot at the moment, so unfortunately two back to back special duty assignments are a no no... Perhaps in a few years.
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SSG Hasburn,


You could always do it and convert to 79R. Just food for thought.

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SFC,

 I have flirted with the idea of going recruiting, but my current assignment (joint) and previous were TDA units. I have been told by other NCOs that to much time in TDA unit may hinder promotion opportunities. 

However, if it doesn't I would like try to submit a packet. Also, I would like to know what are the chances that I can be slotted as a 79RL (language qualified slot)?
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SSG Cedeno,


First, let me say I can not say for certainly if going to Recruiting duty for three years after previous TDAs would hinder you. However, as long as you were filling assignments for your MOS and rated accordingly, it should not matter if they were MTOE or TDA. Now, that in mind, diversifying assigned duties and successfully taking on challenges outside you PMOS is supposed to be looked on favorably. I have yet to see with my own eyes otherwise.

In regards to language proficiency, there aren't specific slots except for a couple exceptions possibly. But, you would be entitled to FLPB still and utilized to translate documents as necessary.

Check out the RTR site for application information. http://www.usarec.army.mil/hq/recruiter/index.aspx



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Yes I have. I am going to need a special assignment. I like the idea of going recruiting after this assignment. I spent a few years as a door to door saleswoman so I think this is something I can do. Not trying to compare, It is more of the sales aspect. I have looked up the requirements such as GT score but cannot find anything. Perhaps I am searching in the wrong place. Where can I find the requirements so I can be ready? Other than ALC and my P status, what would you recommend I prepare myself with?
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SGT Gresham,


You can always take a look at my Facebook page

https://www.facebook.com/pages/III-Corps-Outreach-NCO-79R-Liaison-SFC-Pierce/ [login to see] 90507

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http://www.usarec.army.mil/hq/recruiter/index.aspx

Both have the application and FAQs for Recruiting assignment as well as the eligibility criteria.


It's good to be able to talk to many different people from different walks of life. However, the only thing you are selling is you as a Soldier. You're drive is to show other young folks how they can be successful and meet their goals in the Army. If you can do that, that's half the battle. The other half is finding those people that will give you enough facetime between their tweets and FB status updates. #SMHandLOLing


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Thank you for the links. I was able to find the answer to my question about line scores. I just PCS'ed and understand I will have to wait until I can drop a packet for recruiting. I am positive I can show people why the military life is a benefit. Especially since the military has given me or provided me the information needed to obtain everything I have. I like telling younger Soldiers about it. Heck, it excites me.
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SFC Pierce, I have been talking to several people in the past few weeks about my current job, and ones available to me. With the med board process not being started yet and still pending surgeries. I still have plenty of time to pull all of my resources together and make required rank to volunteer. My question for you would be, I know I am going to have to get a COAD. How would that effect my volunteering status, if at all? 
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SPC Kasper,


You will have to complete your PDES first. So, the Army would be able to determine your ability to remain on active duty and perform in your PMOS. Considering the COAD is an exception to policy, I do not think you'd be able to qualify for Recruiting Duty. The reason I say this is if you get a COAD it means you were found unfit for duty, but an exception was made due to one of the following: TIS which would exceed the acceptable limits for Recruiting, being in a critical skill or shortage MOS (you'd be released before transferred to Recruiting) and lastly an unfitting disability resulting from combat or terrorism. That last one would likely mean the SM has traumatic physical or emotional disabilities, neither are conducive to Recruiting Duty. However, these are my speculations.


Get through the PDES first and submit what you have. The worst that could happen is you are denied. But, if it makes it through, then well worth the effort to me. Have you spoken with SFC Conerly there at Fort Drum?

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I have not spoken to SFC Conerly as of yet. I've been quite busy with appointments. Never the less, I still need to make time to visit. In your response, you mentioned "shortage MOS". As a 12b(21b) we are over strength or at least that is how it is portrayed to me. 
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I am at Ft Bragg and i have a family member on the EFMP, that will be a problem to apply for recruiting duty? i will love to stay in NC and do my duty in Fayetteville or Spring Lake.
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SGT Diaz,


Having a family member enrolled in EFMP is not a problem. Just means the assignment selections would be restricted to areas that can support your family's needs. As far as staying in NC and specific assignments, submit your BNs of choice in priority order. You have to understand though there is only so much that can be done about assignment "preference". When it's all said and done, it comes down to where USAREC needs Recruiters and that meets your EMFP needs. Check out my "III Corps Outreach NCO" Facebook page. I have a list of FAQs that might answer some more questions you have. If not, let me know.

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I submitted my packet after branch told me they were considering me for DA selection. Completed the entire packet and submitted it as directed. I got the email from RTR (Recruit the Recruiter team) stating that they received my packet and it was processing  however got another email from branch stating I was on orders for another assignment. I'm confused because branch just told me they were going to release me for recruiting duty and then put me on orders. With that being said I talked with branch again and they are waiting on the next "recruiting mission" to determine my school date since I'm OCONUS and my DEROS is Sept of this year. I don't know what "recruiting mission" means as they weren't really specific. In a nutshell from what my 1SG told me, My current assignment is basically a filler for if I am selected, recruiter takes presence over that assignment. If the "recruiter mission comes out and they don't need me, then my current assignment is a definite. The packet wasn't a hassle but it's crazy how orders work. I guess I can't do nothing now but wait for a response from both RTR and branch on if I'm going or not.

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SGT Odum, my pleasure!


SSG Broadbent, get on it as soon as you can. Can take some time to process and I don't have connections like that lol. If I did, my butt would be in Hawaii!


SSG Johnson, speaking of the HI! Sorry to hear about your experience. I came out right when things started to change in this Command fortunately. I've heard and seen it all. What I can say is this... There are good and bad days just like anything else. As for the hostility piece, if someone is truly toxic and hostile these days, they better have a bug out bag with a second source of income. This Command is pushing hard to meet mission objectives but there is no excuse to not take care of and support our Soldiers. They listen to Soldiers with legit concerns and it does not take too much to make things change towards the positive. USAREC just weeded out much of its senior leaders thanks to ALARACT 147. So, I'd expect to see a lot more bright minded and positive leaders coming up here. Matter of fact if you meet the requirements we are really looking for NCOs who have prior recruiting duty to convert to 79R and come back out to make a difference. Just food for thought.

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SFC Pierce,

I have been thinking about going back for my 3 years, until retirement.  I am a single parent so not sure how it would work. I remember how it was with no kids. 


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SFC Johnson,  if you could read back thru this same forums about 3 months ago I posed that same concern (single mom) to SFC Pierce. He gave me some great insight. Good Luck.
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SSG Johnson,


Shoot me an email at [login to see] and I will respond back with a zip file that has a reclass brief I currently use, an application walkthrough and all pertinent/required docs. To be honest, if your financial statement and Family Care Plan are strong, you will likely be approved. Branch Managers or others may sometimes think this is a complete disqualifier to be a single parent, but the fact is it isn't. It is waivable on a case by case basis. Plus, we need more strong female NCOs out there in the recruiting force.


SSG Parker,


I shot you an email with the same mentioned zip file. Just want to make sure you got it as well.

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I went on the Recruit the Recruiter webpage a few months back, and I was told that at the present moment USAREC is not accepting any prior Recruiters. Does the statement hold any truth, and if so are there plans for it to change? I am planning on dropping my packet in March when I will have the required 12 months at current assignment. I realize that I should have converted to in 2013 when I was there.
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In am 47, SSG with 10 years active. What are the chances I can get a recruiting slot?
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SSG Craven,
Unfortunately, the age standard is 21-35 years. Waivers up to the age of 44 are only considered for SSG (P's) and SFC's.

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