For Reservist and Guard, is there a regulation that states facial hair is not allowed in Military IDs, even if you are not on duty?

I am just curious to know why it is okay in some places and not okay at others? Is it Unit dependent or is it army wide. Not that I plan on taking another ID card picture for a while if not ever again after this one.

Beyond ar 670-1 local policy would be set by the garrison commander or local command authority. For a picture I think you should shave personally.

I agree with you sir. Look at my headshot for the site. However, if was not an issue before I did not think it would be an issue now.

SSG (Join to see) - Unit like Secrete Squirrels?

Good point!

Neither would I on active duty/reserve ID, but what about your retirement ID?

Your words indicate that you are choosing to be selective about when inconvenient standards should apply, SSG (Join to see).

If you are objectively "all about standards" -- and not about justifying being unshaved for an official picture -- then why is your approach to dispute the applicability of the grooming standards regardless of official duty status? Why are not not emphasizing the need to "educate and train" personnel at DEERS sites which are not conforming with the intent of AR 670-1?

1LT William Clardy - Apparently you have missed the intention of this post. If anything I am not choosing when to be selective for I have no authority nor do I work at an ID card facility. Of course I had hoped someone that was a technician who worked on site could help me understand why it is okay for some sites and why it is not okay for other sites. I am under the impression it is a Site by Site policy which is easy to abide by.

Actually, SSG (Join to see), it is the soldier's responsibility to meet grooming standards, not the civilians staffing DEERS sites. Some sites may not have a policy of refusing to take official photographs which do not meet official grooming standards, but that does not change the fact that, in anything relating to your official status as a soldier it is your responsibility to be properly groomed.

*That* is the real answer to your question, Sergeant.

1LT William Clardy - Official status of a soldier when I am not on orders. Roger and thank you for your input. A little insight since the question only allow a limit amount of characters. As I sat down to make an appointment. That is why I was there in the first place. The technician said that they could take care of the matter of getting me a new ID card today. I did ask, "Shouldn't I be shaved." They said are you on orders and I replied, "No" and they said, "No need to shave unless you are in uniform." I said, "Okay." Hence the confusion on my part. I will admit being a civilian in my field 29 days out of the month does make me complacent such as ie. I do not shave every morning. So it is safe to say to just shave and there will be no issues in the future with when it is okay to take a picture with facial hair and when you cannot.

Sir. As I stated in the beginning this is not an effort to sharpshoot. This is an attempt to educate and teach. If this is just a policy a unit can emplace I am all for following it and will be clean shaven when I schedule to receive a new ID, but if there is a Regulation against this issue then the others that are not following the regulation are dead wrong and should be advised professionally. The ID picture I took up above was on an ACTIVE Duty Post not a Reserve/Guard Armory or Reserve Center although I will admit the ID before this one when I was on Active Duty was taken at a Guard Armory and I too also had facial hair.

670-1 covers facial hair on duty. It is possible for a reservist, NG member, or even active duty to appear at DEERS to get an ID card while they are not on duty. I believe the original question is to try and figure out if any regulation specifically states that no facial hair can be present in the ID card. Regulations don't specify you have to be in uniform for an ID photo, so it stands to reason that you can have facial hair as well.

COL Charles Williams Easy answer Colonel. Even if it is 9 paygrades under your AO!

Though this post is old I am going to respond with, Thank you for your opinion. Only time I am on orders is when I am on Drill Status. Mind you when I am drilling I am on orders and yes I put on my uniform and yes I conform to AR 670-1 and yes they have a DEERs Facility on site and so getting an ID card is not an issue. However, judging by my civilian occupation, the job that pays the bills mind you. I am reluctant to show up into the office donning a military uniform so that on my first available break I can drive to the DEERs facility to get an ID card made. Simple fact of the matter if I am being requested to get a new ID card during my "Off Duty" status I am confident to say No I will not put on the uniform and no I will not shave. Simple facts and not opinions here.

It'd be a waste of your time because I'm sure the person working that station would refuse to make the new ID card(and would have the Reg to back them up). So your yime is wasted going there and so is their's. Don't be so selfish, SSG.

It's pretty ambiguous though. "Must comply with grooming standards" but in the same section that they "may be photographed while wearing uniform or civilian clothes." Since the Army doesn't specify grooming standards while off duty in civilian clothes, there's some regulatory wiggle room there.

Today I found out why this particular location requires why the individuals taking a picture must be clean-shaven. It was "THEIR" interpretation of the DEERS Policy. Which I found out was the issue last week when I had to retrieve a new CAC..
The Policy:
*see 11.7.3.
Active duty, Selected Reserve and Participating IRR members in uniform must comply with Service grooming standards. Note: Active duty, Selected Reserve, and Participating IRR members must also be within Service dress and appearance standards when in uniform. This also applies to members who are on appellate leave. Refer to paragraph 9.4.

The location interpretation of the last line "...must also be within Service dress and appearance standards when in uniform." Their interpretation of the word "uniform" was taken subjectively as "You currently drill and you put on the uniform therefore you have to comply to the standards of AR 670-1." Whereas I took the statement objectively just like how it is printed. IF I AM TAKING A PICTURE WHEN I AM WEARING MY UNIFORM then yes I have to comply to AR 670-1. There is no regulation stating that you cannot wear facial hair while taking a Military ID. If they want to fix the issue which I can see more problems in the future, but to clear up the ambiguity they would change the last statement to "..must also be within Service dress and appearance standards when in "The UNIFORMED SERVICE" then you would be factoring in those that are retired , IRR, Reservist, and Guard as well which is something I am sure they wanted to avoid. Whereas when I went to Ft. Bragg Soldier Support Building DEERS Location previously to obtain an ID they saw I was not on duty and took my picture as I was which contained facial hair