Posted on Dec 1, 2016
Has anyone ever been in a screaming match or any altercation with their superiors?
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Once... I had a dufflbag E6 buying his time to retire during stop loss. He had been embarrassed by one of of my sqared aways in front of a 3 star. I had just finished ALS as an E4 and was only a supervisor to 5 and my first group, the general ended up really letting the E6 have it this E6 was our scting flight chief and it happened in front of our flight. The E6 about z month later ordered me to give my troop a 2epr i refused he got angrey pulled me into a secured room with other E6s a few 7s and began yelling at me telling me he could end my career said this kid didnt deserve to wear the uniform all kindx of stuff. When he finished yelling at be littling me I said no i will fight you on this no matter the consequence i continued with I come from a long proud line of military service members and non msde a career out wearing out holes in their knees and I for sure will not suck your or kiss your ass just to make you feel better about your sorry go no where career youre a joke and sad excuse for z Sgt in the USAF two days later he was forced to retire i was sent to training with a guaranteed promotion upon completion
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Sadly yes. Was a Committee Chief in TSB/FLW. Was at a Bn Training or Maint. Meeting; felt the Range Control CO/Civilian Cmndr had insulted my subordinates and I freaked out; threatened him. It had been building for a long time. Even though the old 'treat everyone under E-8 like a Cherry Drill Sergeant'; I was totally wrong. I was lucky that he didn't take it to another level. They suggested I go speak to someone; which I did. It helped. I became 1SG and retired not far down the road. Guess I'm trying to say; look inward. In this case; respecting others; just like in the Ethos; goes both ways; but I was wrong. I was carrying a lot of anger and stress.
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Yes, I had a screaming match with my supervisor, who was a SR Airman. I thought my supervisor although young, was a person who thought that power went to his head. Like Stan Lee said, "With great power comes great responsibility."
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SSgt Donald Ostrem
Well, I did what my first shirt told me to do and that was to use my chain of command if you felt like if I had a complaint. It worked! Later on, my SRA got in trouble for something! Imagine that!
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I can think of few if any instances in the military where someone who is serving honorably would believe they could have even an argument with their leadership (so called or otherwise) and get away with it. It's one thing to disagree, good leaders embrace differences, but in the military sometimes you just have to suck it up and move on. Assuming everything is legal of course, there is a structure in place for good reason. If you feel strongly enough about your argument, go up the chain and see if they agree with you, let those above them handle the screaming. If those up the chain don't agree with you, either you're either wrong or you have poor leadership. In the case of the latter, had you got into any sort of arguments they would likely back the superior and you would probably find yourself in a situation you really don't want to be in. Keep in mind we are talking about an argument and not a disagreement. The difference is an argument you don't back down whether your wrong or right, a disagreement you make your case and accept the outcome. Keep in mind you're in the military and although it may not happen consistently or as often as it should, you can still be court marshaled for insubordination, disrespect and for disrupting good order or discipline and the penalty could be death and imprisonment. No one wants to be made an example out of and you never know when they all of a sudden decide to enforce a rule or two, even if the offense all the time. Good luck!
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SGT Dexter Guptill
Former Fire Direction nerd, here. I called Check Fire on something my (E7) chief had okayed. He'd gotten azimuth and deflection mixed up, and was all set to ream me a new orifice when I pointed out that he was talking about a high-burst registration on the 82nd Street drive-in, in Lawton.
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TSgt (Join to see)
You're mostly correct. But if an E-9 tells me to go up onto the roof during a thunderstorm and take down an antenna in 50 MPH winds, I WILL tell him to eff off. Yes, that's a thing that has happened. All that is easy to say in a cushy office, but in an environment where a bad order WILL get people killed out of sheer ignorance or malice, it's your job to educate as loudly as you need to whoever needs to be.
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Yep, when I was an E-4 Sgt I told a Capt no. It did start out fairly quiet, but he escalated the disagreement and I wasn't backing down. The unfortunate part was this took place at the front desk with patients sitting in the waiting room. We both got counseled, mine wasn't noted in my records. And in a way we both won. He got what he wanted but none of the patients he wanted rescheduled were, just moved around. And he never crossed me again, so I think he got reamed a little worse than I did ;)
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A1C Medrick "Rick" DeVaney
uh YUP ~~ That'll Do It!
I Made The Mistake, In Basic, Of Going After Our Assistant T.I.
~ But In Shot... 3 YEARS Later, WHILE Disembarking From The Aircraft
At KIMPO AFB, South Korea,...A Voice Rang Out: "HEY DeVaney, What The Hell Are YOU Doing In Korea?"......3 Years Had Passed, And This Assistant T.I, Must Have Trained "The Gods Only KNOW", How Many Other G.I.'s, And He Remembered ME ~ BY NAME...
In Short We Grabbed Some Coffee And Laughed Our Butts Off... The THOUGHT Of How Long Ago It Had Been From Basic, In TEXAS To, KIMPO In South Korea, And There We Were, Meeting Up Again.. ~ OH ! ~ In Basic He Saved My LIFE~~ By NOT Killing Me.
I Made The Mistake, In Basic, Of Going After Our Assistant T.I.
~ But In Shot... 3 YEARS Later, WHILE Disembarking From The Aircraft
At KIMPO AFB, South Korea,...A Voice Rang Out: "HEY DeVaney, What The Hell Are YOU Doing In Korea?"......3 Years Had Passed, And This Assistant T.I, Must Have Trained "The Gods Only KNOW", How Many Other G.I.'s, And He Remembered ME ~ BY NAME...
In Short We Grabbed Some Coffee And Laughed Our Butts Off... The THOUGHT Of How Long Ago It Had Been From Basic, In TEXAS To, KIMPO In South Korea, And There We Were, Meeting Up Again.. ~ OH ! ~ In Basic He Saved My LIFE~~ By NOT Killing Me.
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I got into a heated "in your" face altercation with my Battalion Commander one day. He won to say the least.
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Nope, disagree plenty, but screeming?........what's the purpose!
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COL Carl Jensen
I thought that only occurred when you are the commandant of a BN HHC? A certain then Major and I had multiple screaming matches. When he became a Colonel he wanted me on his staff, I said to him, why, do you miss our shouting matches? It was good for a laugh, and we still remained friends. I went to another unit, it was quiet there.
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COL Carl Jensen
Lt Col John (Jack) Christensen - I wonder if it was a square head thing? He was a Swede, so ya know the scene. LOL
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I've never been in any screaming match with anyone. Never saw the point. Besides as a woman, I would only be accused of being "hysterical" or "hormonal". Physical altercations with someone senior to me...had a few close calls with lots of witnesses. The senior was in the wrong, and instantly flared my temper. The first was an incident over sexual discrimination that stopped me from doing my job. I was carrying a loaded .45 pistol at the time...I so tempted to shoot the SFC where he stood (I was a SPC at the time) that turned turned my pistol over to my patrol supervisor and told him I'd be back when I'd cooled enough that I could be trusted with it. The SFC was fired by the post Provost Marshal.
The next time was when I was a SGT dealing with a waste of oxygen MAJ. I never saw anyone work so hard to get out of work. On this particular occasion, I had given my subordinates a few tasks to accomplish while I was elsewhere for the majority of the day. Well there was some very routine paperwork that had to be done and the signed by either the executive officer (said Major) or the commander. The MAJ gave my SPC the run around all day to verify that it was done correctly and authorized. This should have taken 10 minutes, not 8 hours. When I got back, I had expected every task done. My SPC told me what the MAJ had put her through all day just to try to get out of signing any of it. I told her to give it to me and I'd take it to him for his signature. He had just come out of a meeting with all the senior leadership. He was the first one out the door, with 2 Colonels, 4 LTCs, 2 SGMs, and a CSM right behind him. One of the Colonels was the commander. The MAJ barely looked at the first document and flat out told me the signature block wasn't centered. If looks could kill, he would have been vaporized. I folded it in half. The signature block was a hairline off center. I looked at everyone standing right behind him. It was a parting of the sea. Everyone behind him took a step off to the side to ensure they didn't get hit by accident. They all knew me well...the MAJ not so well. I then made an about face and started walking back to the office. He was saying something to the back of my head, but I kept on walking. I heard the commander tell him to shut his mouth before I changed my mind and knocked him out anyway. I had my SPC change the signature block to the commander's and I would have him sign them. I was still so mad that I don't remember even knocking on the commander's office door or asking permission to enter. I think I just barged in and was going off about the MAJ and how he wasted my team's time all day for basic routine stuff that shouldn't have taken 10 minutes for each task... because of him nothing was done. Mine wasn't the first complaint about him. The commander told me to calm down and that he was taking care of it. The commander didn't even seem to read anything I put in front him, he just signed it. The MAJ was fired as executive officer.
The next time was when I was a SGT dealing with a waste of oxygen MAJ. I never saw anyone work so hard to get out of work. On this particular occasion, I had given my subordinates a few tasks to accomplish while I was elsewhere for the majority of the day. Well there was some very routine paperwork that had to be done and the signed by either the executive officer (said Major) or the commander. The MAJ gave my SPC the run around all day to verify that it was done correctly and authorized. This should have taken 10 minutes, not 8 hours. When I got back, I had expected every task done. My SPC told me what the MAJ had put her through all day just to try to get out of signing any of it. I told her to give it to me and I'd take it to him for his signature. He had just come out of a meeting with all the senior leadership. He was the first one out the door, with 2 Colonels, 4 LTCs, 2 SGMs, and a CSM right behind him. One of the Colonels was the commander. The MAJ barely looked at the first document and flat out told me the signature block wasn't centered. If looks could kill, he would have been vaporized. I folded it in half. The signature block was a hairline off center. I looked at everyone standing right behind him. It was a parting of the sea. Everyone behind him took a step off to the side to ensure they didn't get hit by accident. They all knew me well...the MAJ not so well. I then made an about face and started walking back to the office. He was saying something to the back of my head, but I kept on walking. I heard the commander tell him to shut his mouth before I changed my mind and knocked him out anyway. I had my SPC change the signature block to the commander's and I would have him sign them. I was still so mad that I don't remember even knocking on the commander's office door or asking permission to enter. I think I just barged in and was going off about the MAJ and how he wasted my team's time all day for basic routine stuff that shouldn't have taken 10 minutes for each task... because of him nothing was done. Mine wasn't the first complaint about him. The commander told me to calm down and that he was taking care of it. The commander didn't even seem to read anything I put in front him, he just signed it. The MAJ was fired as executive officer.
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I had a yelling match with my 1Sgt. I was a Staff Sergeant and we were deployed. I was the FDC chief and he tried to pull 2 of my men for guard duty. It is a well established tradition that FDC does not pull guard duty. In any event, it ended by my stating that if he pulled my men, I would resign immediately. He pulled my men and I had one of my privates run my resignation letter to the Battery Commander. The Commander was en route to a Brigade Briefing but when he read my letter, he had his driver turn around. When he arrived, he had the 1Sgt at attention in front of the Battery and told him "I can run this Battery without a 1Sgt, I can't do it without an FDC Chief, quit fucking with him".
The next day, I walked over to the maintenance truck and one of the Sgt.s asked me what had happened yesterday. I told him I didn't know what he was talking about. He continued that Sgt. Thomas had just opened a can of soda pop, and my voice came booming down from above, and it was so fierce that the bubbles from the soda pop, jumped back into the can.
The next day, I walked over to the maintenance truck and one of the Sgt.s asked me what had happened yesterday. I told him I didn't know what he was talking about. He continued that Sgt. Thomas had just opened a can of soda pop, and my voice came booming down from above, and it was so fierce that the bubbles from the soda pop, jumped back into the can.
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While attending a PTSD group, there was a female Specialist who would always come to the group with a plate lunch and in civilian clothes (during working hours). One day, she started running her mouth about how her Squad Leader was a shitbag and how she was about to put hands on him if he didn't change his attitude. I busted out laughing as did the other NCO's who were forced to be there since we had been medevac'd out of Theater (Iraq). She asked me if I had a problem and if I wanted to take it outside. I again busted out laughing. I told her "Sounds like the problem isn't with your Squad Leader, sounds like the problem is with you and your attitude. Maybe you should learn to listen instead of talk, you might actually learn something from someone who's been doing it a little longer than you." So she chimes in with "All you Infantry boys think y'all are better than everyone else but I don't take shit from nobody and I got no problem beating someones ass if I have to." I again busted out laughing and said that it was obvious that you never beat anyones ass and that your attitude is the reason you can't get along with others. Of course she was the only Non Combat Soldier in the room and all the others agreed with me that she was not a product of "Toxic Leadership" but a "Toxic Attitude". She stood up and said she was about to start throwing hands and that if we didn't leave we would regret it. So I asked her "Why are you here, were you volluntold to attend these meetings or are you there on your own free will?" So she said she came on her own because it was the only way she could get out of working and being around the people in her unit. Turns out, one of the other NCO's happened to be assigned to her unit and upon return, spoke to the 1SG about what transpired. Turns out, she had been skipping duty by telling her command that she was at "Medical Appointments" all day and was getting the Counselor to write her excuses and other things to keep her from having to deal with her Squad Leader. Also turns out that she was a shitbag who had been AWOL for a few weeks and when she returned, she began acting as if she was the victim of whatever happened at the unit. Needless to say, we voiced our concerns to the counselor who told us that we should be more compassionate towards her because she isn't used to being around soldiers who have been in combat. I was like, it's the fucking Army, if you aren't around someone who has been to combat then you obviously haven't been in long. This female soldier also threatened a MSG who told her to lose the attitude with "keep running your mouth and you'll need surgery to replace the bones in your jaw when I break it". Yeah, that went over well, we laughed and he excused himself and greeted her with her 1SG when the meeting was done. It was a hilarious situation to say the least. I'm sure her career was as short as she was (probably 5'5" if she was lucky).
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