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PO2 Christopher Foss
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For me, it wasn't a screaming match, but my Chief (E7 for you non-Navy types) ordered me to perform a 40 hour rebuild of a server instead of waiting on State-side to tell us what was happening.

I was the office SME (DP2/RM2, E5), but the Electronics shop had a former instructor (DS1/ET1, E6) on their team. We had the standard hardware v software disagreement and my Chief sided with the other person. The rebuild didn't work because the motherboard had to be replaced, but it got far enough along that it wiped the load. As the only Cleared tech, I had to babysit the entire rebuild.

At the end of the process, I walked into the office, exhausted because I had been awake for 3 days straight, and he looked me in the eye and said, "I suppose you want to say, I told you so."

With utter contempt in my voice, I replied, "No, I just want to point out that the entire situation could have been avoided if we had waited for the support team to answer," and walked out.

He threatened me with Insubordination, I replied with Incompetence, the LT shut the whole conversation down.
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1LT Neal Schwartz
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We, my FDC, got involved in a loud radio screaming match with HQ FDC, and a Marine trying to get artillery fire during Operation Apache Snow m in May of 1969. I was XO of an 8-inch howitzer battery near the Ashau Valley. A Marine was screaming for artillery, his men were getting chewed up by the enemy. HQ could/would not give us clearance to shoot. Then the radio communications between us and HQ went bad, all we could hear from them was static. I made the decision to fire my artillery without the HQ clearance. The unit has a letter of appreciation in it's archives for that decision. The Colonel flew out the next day and chewed my ass, so to speak. Then when he left he patted me on the back and said "Good Job, Lieutenant". That was my most proud chewing out of my military experience. "B" Battery / 1st Battalion / 83rd Artillery.
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COL Military Police
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Edited 4 y ago
No but I have witnessed a few of these altercations (screaming matches). The best one was between two Colonels.
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A1C Medrick "Rick" DeVaney
A1C Medrick "Rick" DeVaney
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One Of Those "Mine's Bigger Than Yours" Macho Matches?
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Lt Col Timothy Cassidy-Curtis
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From the perspective of a Sr. Grade Officer: This would disturb me greatly. Anybody putting hands on anybody or having a screaming match with anybody is one of those cardinal "unit moral" things that would get my attention, pronto!

Step one: If the matter involved Enlisted, only, get a report from NCO leadership. What happened? Who was involved? Why did it start? If the matter involved an Officer (or more than one), that's where either subordinate unit commanders (Squad, Company, etc.), or the Deputy gets to earn their pay.

Step two: Determine what, if anything, was done to resolve the matter. At this point, no judgement, but do want to know what steps were taken to mitigate the issue.

Step three: Determine any result from mitigation. Did that resolve the matter?

Step four: See if there is anything that might cause such a "ruckus" in the future. It is likely to happen in the future?

Step five: Review corrective actions and results. (Somewhat different from step two, above, which would refer to immediate mitigation of the matter.) Corrective actions in this case would refer to long term efforts.

Some CO's like to be "aloof" and let the Enlisted Corps handle their own issues. That's one way, and it's not a bad way, either. Personally, however, I would like to get more involved.
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PO2 Lawrence Janiec
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Yes. HTCS(SW) Beebe yelled at me for being late to my watch (SP iirc) and mostly it was the MOOW that didn't wake me up for it and some assclown turned off my alarm next to my rack to mess with me. So the combination of all those things had me in a bad mood when I stopped by my shop on the way to watch. He started in on me and I was already mad so I yelled back. As I put it to the JAG later, I continued the conversation in the manner in which it had started. However, didn't matter, disrespect to a senior petty officer and I was on report. When I was in my "dress" dungarees on my way to XOI, the MAA told me that they had stopped it and go see my department head.

While on report, that was some of the scariest time while I was in the Navy. However, as an aside to lighten this up, I was POOW on the forward quarterdeck (where CPOs and officers enter/leave the ship) which meant I had the .45 and ammo for it. I was on report, something else had angered me, so I was sort of just pacing back and forth with a mean look on my face, with my hands on the aforementioned pistol and the ammo for it, and when senior chief Beebe came up to leave for liberty that afternoon, he saw me pacing, hands on pistol/ammo, and we both stopped. I glared at him (that's not against the rules) and he knew he was the reason I was on report, and he was staring at someone he was possibly going to ruin the career of and he was "armed and dangerous" and I saw that hint of fear in his eyes and he turned around and used the E-6 and below quarterdeck to leave the ship....

(He wasn't in any danger, but just the imagery was probably really funny for those who saw it and knew the circumstances.)
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Lt Col Timothy Cassidy-Curtis
Lt Col Timothy Cassidy-Curtis
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1. Screw somebody
2. Be an Officer/Sr. NCO who blames that somebody for the consequences from having been screwed
3. Put that person on entry/exit/activity monitoring duty for Officers and Sr. NCO's.
4. Give that person a gun, with ammo

I will let you take it the rest of the way.
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SPC Ana Moody-Dash
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Being called GIRL! this and GIRL! That...finally made him aware my nomenclature was soldier or private, not girl.
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SGT Brandon Culpepper
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I (E-4) was sent to Camp McCall for Robin Sage (Special Forces FTX) and assigned as OPFOR. We we’re killed in a battle and the SF cadre taught the aspiring future Green Berets how to search and secure enemy dead. A young Captain was told eye thumps and knees to the groin were effective to awaken enemy “dead”. After a knee from the top rope, I grabbed the unnamed officer by the collar after the groin shot, tears in my eyes and testies in my kidneys, and tried to choke him. The laughing E-7 cadre pulled me off and reminded me striking a commissoned officer is punishable by UCMJ.
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So is an officer assaulting enlisted, as well as conduct unbecoming an officer.
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Sgt Robert Shea
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yes. 1969 i returned from my 13 mth. tour in viet nam. i was an E4 with 5,0,5.0,5,0 procon marks. after checking in at my new duty station i was promoted to E5. the 2nd lt. that delivered my promotion, made it very clear that he did not think i deserved it. he got right in my face and told me so. he said it loud enough so that the other marines being promoted could hear. it was quite a scene. he took all of the pride out what i had worked for. my goal in boot camp was to achive 5.0's and the rank of E5 because the DI's said that it could not be done in a three year enlistment.i think this 2nd. lt. had been passed over for !st. lt. and resented for what i had achieved. i only had about 60 days left on my enlistment or i might have reported him. this is not the marine corp way of doing things. my only regret is that i didn't serve with him in viet nam....if you know what i mean.
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SGT Unit Supply Specialist
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Yes, only I call them my seniors. Always one on one though, not in front of mine or their Soldiers. Sometimes you have to stand up for yourself, especially when someone has no idea what your job entails, and constantly says you do not do anything. Army or not, I did a damn good job and will not let anyone walk all over me, or my Soldiers.
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MSgt John Geruso
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Yes -- with a new Captain who was assigned as our unit OIC. I was the senior NCO assigned, and had a great crew. We handled the CBRNE and HAZMAT incidents for the base, trained troops in Chem and Bio warfare survival. A number of Senior NCOs from different bases got together and developed a checklist that would allow any newly assigned person to get familiar with the set up, equipment, procedures, etc etc. Upper Brass liked it and it gave us some needed uniformity.
When the Captain showed up for duty I briefed him on current ops and gave him a copy of the checklist to help him familiarize himself with the unit. He looked at it and said he'd like to change it. At that point I closed the door to his office and explained the creation of the checklist was done with over 45 year of combined experience. Didn't phase him. I reiterated the importance of him running it then, if he could improve it we woud consider his inputs.
Didn't work. It started "Sergeant, I want it changed" I said "Captain, no Sir, run it first" Voices raised "SERGEANT" "CAPTAIN" ... Went on for about 15 minutes and he finally decided I was not going to back down and I ws not intimidated by his rank. He ran the checklist, and he and I became pretty good friends after a while.
Maintain respect, be right, stand by your guns, know your stuff and don't let rank scare you.
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SGT Tiik Taaka
SGT Tiik Taaka
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...be technically and tactically proficient.
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