Posted on Aug 1, 2015
Has the time come to abolish the Electoral College???
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What is the purpose of a popular vote by the American public IF a select group of people can negate that popular vote and choose someone else? IT HAS HAPPENED.
Posted 9 y ago
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People need to understand the wisdom of our founding fathers. The more of their wisdom we counteract the more troubled our nation will be.
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The electoral college is like a bunch of old ladies at the turkey shoot. They want the meat but not the labor of getting the job done.
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"The renewed push comes after 2016 Democratic presidential nominee Hillary Clinton lost the election that year despite winning the popular vote, the second time it has happened since the turn of the century."
https://thehill.com/homenews/state-watch/432061-dem-states-move-to-bypass-electoral-college?userid=235202
https://thehill.com/homenews/state-watch/432061-dem-states-move-to-bypass-electoral-college?userid=235202
Blue states band together looking to bypass Electoral College
A plan to circumvent the Electoral College is gaining momentum amongblue states afterDemocratssuffered two crushingdefeats in presidential elections over the past two decades.
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Hell no, then The caifonicators and the Northeast would decide for the rest of the country.
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I use to think getting rid of the electoral collage was a good idea, I no longer feel that way. The electoral collage was set up so high population areas couldn't dominate the election, allow me to give you an example. New York State. Two thirds of the population reside in the New York City area, the remaining one third reside in the rest of the state. Living conditions in the New York city area, the Hudson Valley and Albany are great, the rest of the state lived in abject poverty. Syracuse leads the country in vacant store fronts. In Rochester there are streets that aren't cleared of snow in the winter because no one lives in the houses, and Buffalo is the second poorest city in the country, only second to Detroit. Eight to ten dollars an hour is about it, if you can find a forty hour a week job. If the presidential election were decided by a popular vote this would be the situation in the entire country. There would be millions plunged into poverty, while the populated areas thrive.
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Well the results are in.
More of you think we should keep the Electoral College.
More of you think we should keep the Electoral College.
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Why fix what aint broke..... before you change something you might want to understand WHY the founding fathers went to all the trouble of creating the electoral college.....which is more important now than it has ever been before.....
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Marlene Hessler
IF the Electoral College were to be dissolved, about 6 states would select our president. That is totally unfair to the majority of US voters.
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SSgt John Carter
Listen to what you said, THE majority. The MAJORITY doesn't elect the President with the Electoral College. The MINORITY does. Eliminating it will allow the Majority to. No offense, but thanks for making my point.
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I can post a long explanation of why the electoral college is necessary. I will try to keep it short.
The geographic vs. popular arguments have been made. Our Founders, while believing in Representative (not necessarily direct democratic) government, did fear what they termed a "Tyranny of the Majority" almost as much - if not AS much as they feared the absolutism and tyranny of a monarchy.
1) It is no coincidence that the EC gives each State representation proportionate to its representation in the US Congress. Our Congress was made a bicameral legislature as a compromise; the lower house - the House, gives States representation according to population recognizing population, while the upper house - the Senate recognizes each State as equal members in the Union regardless of size.
2) It is a wide misconception that we hold our National Election on the first Tuesday after a Monday on every even year. Actually, we have STATE Congressional elections every other November. It just so happens that the States also vote for their choice for President every fourth year AS STATES. The actual NATIONAL Presidential election actually occurs in December when each State's representatives - in the form of Electors - travel to Washington to participate in the actual National election where they cast their votes (usually according to the popular vote in their respective States).
The Electoral college is based on our Founders' vision of our government as a Democratic Republic - not Direct Democracy. It is also one of the few remaining vestiges of Federalism (the separation of powers between local and national governments we have left). Again, we as citizens of our States, vote for our choice for President in STATE elections. Then our representatives travel to DC to cast the winner of their States' popular vote in the Electoral College - which is the true National Election.
Like it or not - it has worked for us since the 12th Amendment was fine tuned and, for reasons already stated, protects us even if we don't always like the results. The neat thing is if you lose this round, the republic survives and we get another shot in four years.
The geographic vs. popular arguments have been made. Our Founders, while believing in Representative (not necessarily direct democratic) government, did fear what they termed a "Tyranny of the Majority" almost as much - if not AS much as they feared the absolutism and tyranny of a monarchy.
1) It is no coincidence that the EC gives each State representation proportionate to its representation in the US Congress. Our Congress was made a bicameral legislature as a compromise; the lower house - the House, gives States representation according to population recognizing population, while the upper house - the Senate recognizes each State as equal members in the Union regardless of size.
2) It is a wide misconception that we hold our National Election on the first Tuesday after a Monday on every even year. Actually, we have STATE Congressional elections every other November. It just so happens that the States also vote for their choice for President every fourth year AS STATES. The actual NATIONAL Presidential election actually occurs in December when each State's representatives - in the form of Electors - travel to Washington to participate in the actual National election where they cast their votes (usually according to the popular vote in their respective States).
The Electoral college is based on our Founders' vision of our government as a Democratic Republic - not Direct Democracy. It is also one of the few remaining vestiges of Federalism (the separation of powers between local and national governments we have left). Again, we as citizens of our States, vote for our choice for President in STATE elections. Then our representatives travel to DC to cast the winner of their States' popular vote in the Electoral College - which is the true National Election.
Like it or not - it has worked for us since the 12th Amendment was fine tuned and, for reasons already stated, protects us even if we don't always like the results. The neat thing is if you lose this round, the republic survives and we get another shot in four years.
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