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The science suggests that we need to be praise our kids on process, not results. For example, instead of dealing with defeat by telling our kids that “everyone’s a winner at heart,” we should praise them for how hard they hustled, what they did right and how they improved.

But it’s not just the “losers” we need to worry about; it’s the “winners” too. Phrases like “You’re a winner” or “You’re a natural” can actually be toxic to how kids deal with losing. As the work of child psychologist Carol Dweck shows us (link is external), praising kids for their innate talents (in this study’s case, their intelligence) actually makes it more difficult for them to cope when they’re actually confronted with losing. Kids who are praised for their effort rather than their ability tend to strive harder, enjoy activities more, and deal with failure in a more resilient way.
https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/the-new-you/201409/should-we-give-our-kids-participation-trophies
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Maj Marty Hogan
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Kind of a redundant or rhetorical question. In real life, do you get the same as everyone else? Does zero effort deserve the same as an all out effort?
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MAJ Ken Landgren
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When I played football, soccer, and wrestled I really did not care what they said about me. I knew I practiced hard and my goal was to always win.

My problem is young people who are apathetic and don’t have a winning spirit. I will not praise apathy and those who fail to reach specific goals like getting a High School degree. In the military and the corporate world we need results driven people, and results driven people tend to work the hardest. I will be damned if I see a rat turd and call it gold. I have witnessed too many young folks who think mediocrity is acceptable.
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"But if you think the participation trophy is a recent symptom of the diapering of America, think again. We didn’t start handing out participation trophies when Baby Boomers became parents. We started handing them out after World War I."

"The participation trophy was a feature of campus life for decades. Military bases handed out participation trophies during and after World War II."

"In 1924, the University of Minnesota debuted a “30-inch sterling participation trophy” for “the campus organization having the highest number of participation points.” The idea was to encourage students to do sports—participation as something to be rewarded, because it’s good to exercise, to compete, to try hard, win or lose. The participation trophy was a feature of campus life for decades."

"Military bases handed out participation trophies during and after World War II. Schools and sports leagues picked up the practice, for individuals and teams. In 1942, each member of the winning team in the Western Division Class B of the Montana state boys’ basketball tournament—Corvallis, which beat Townsend, 50–35—got a miniature gold basketball, while “all other players received participation trophies.” In 1955, the Ithaca, New York, peewee football program may have introduced the emphasis of playing over winning—hastening our cultural decline—when it gave a participation trophy to the team that used “the greatest number of players per game for the season.”"

https://slate.com/culture/2019/04/participation-trophy-history-world-war-i.html#:~:text=The%20participation%20trophy%20was%20a%20feature%20of%20campus%20life%20for%20decades.&text=Military%20bases%20handed%20out%20participation%20trophies%20during%20and%20after%20World%20War%20II.
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SFC James Welch - I lack maturity? Really? Says the person reviving dead threads 4 months ago - and now someone else has revived it as well and I get notifications. I don't know why people are bringing up threads from months or years ago.
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SFC (Join to see) - The only people I EVER see meltdown online are older generations. Some of you all can't handle opposing opinions.

Again as I posted several months ago, participation trophies were first reported on around 1924. So it's not the "younger generation."

Even if it was Millennials and Gen Z who grew up on participation trophies and that's when it started - think about who gave them to us. Who raised us? Hmm Boomers and Gen X.
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SFC (Join to see) - Age alone doesn’t make something good, look at Marxism it’s been around forever. Participation trophies for the real young, to keep their interest in say T ball or something like that isn’t bad. I remember taking children pan fishing because the action is steady and it can keep their attention. What I’m saying is if you extend that concept (Participation trophies) past early grade school, you will probably be affecting your children’s character in a way where they start having difficulty when they don’t get things their way. That’s not a healthy mindset in my opinion.
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Maj John Bell
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Never heard of or saw a participation trophy until my kid played little league flag football in 3rd grade (1994). I competed in sports, 4H, and competitive wood working most of my childhood (1960's and 1970's). It may have been a practice, but I have some doubts that it was a wide practice.

Some of the participation awards listed in the article aren't participation awards in the common sense.
_The Participation trophies for an invitational tournament still show a level of proficiency above those teams that were not invited.
_The Fraternity Participation Trophy was not awarded to every fraternity. It was awarded to one fraternity that achieved more participation than others.
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We are 99 years into the participation trophies. The first recorded instance was in 1922. It's been a thing ever since.
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LTC Eugene Chu
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Article supporting your point about how old the practice has existed

https://slate.com/culture/2019/04/participation-trophy-history-world-war-i.html
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LTC Eugene Chu - I posted that too.
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Maj John Bell
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I remember the pain of humiliating defeat as a child. The only thing more humiliating was our mommies making very loud gushy protests about "It really didn't matter," "The important thing is to have fun" and "We did or best." And while our mommies they hugged us, we could see the smug faces of the victors, laughing at us, and planning their snarky comments for the next day on the playground.

What a bunch of HORSE SHIT!!!
_If it didn't really didn't matter, why did I spend two hours a day five days a week practicing?
_"If the important thing is to have fun, why is practice so regimented and "un-fun.?"
_And if our best resulted in calling the game because it was a runaway, what hope is there for me and my team mates. If it was the fun that mattered why call the game? [Because my team would still be on the field to this day trying to get the 1st out. That's right we were 21 points down in the 1st half of the 1st inning. The team that beat us went on to take 2nd place in the little league world series] If we're OK with that and the adults are so OK with that that they give us a medal, either the adults are lying, or the medals aren't worth having.

My Dad never coddled me when I lost. He never humiliated me either. He wanted to know two things:
_Was I embarrassed? and was I going to let that embarrassment put me in a nice comfy snuggly bed where I could while away the hours wishing I was good? Or was I going to turn that embarrassment into the rocket fuel that made get a plan and get GOOD.
_and, How could he help? (I loved my Dad.)

I think if someone had tried to give me a participation medal, Dad would have smacked it from their hands, backed them up to a wall got in their face and told them to "Get the ____ away from my boy!!!" Enshrining mediocrity is child abuse. Don't get me wrong, so is humiliating and bully ragging a kid for losing/failing. You pick them up, dust them off, and get to work at improving. But you don't give them a medal for showing up.
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Amen!
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SGM Gerald Fife
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Like a game of football, baseball or basketball, there should be winners and losers. How do you suppose the big dawgs like LeBron James and such would take to be getting a participation trophy. In grade school sports there should be winners and losers. Participation is like the Bump on a log. It participates being a part of the tree. No one notices that bump on the log until you sit on it. Like the war between back in the 60's-70's where they just shot artillery shells at each other for 10 years of participation. Again no winner-no loser. Races are run to be won. You participate in the marathon run but the first one to the finish is the winner. All the rest participated. But I guess the real question is, "why do you participate (in the game/race)?" The answer is obvious, you enter to win. All this physco stuff is what is wrong with some of the troops now. Being a soldier is something you play/work at to be a winner. I am going down too many bunny trails now but you get the idea, if not, at least I participated.
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MAJ Ken Landgren
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I am not bragging just stating an opinion. I don't think many of the teens today could do what I did. I got good grades. I played football, soccer, and wrestled. I also snuck out at night and partied my ass. The expectations are much lower now. Some of them bitch that the phone and internet are giving them anxiety because it gives them another task to accomplish. I would bet my left nut that the wash out rate at basic is higher now than during my era.
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Probably not a lower rate because the standards are lower.
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PO1 Kevin Dougherty
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Missing your goal or losing is as much a part of growing as winning. Not everyone is going to be the best, smartest, strongest, whatever. Children need to learn to put their best effort into whatever they do, even if they are not the best or don't enjoy it and to discover what they are good at and like to do and then find out how that parleys into a vocation. If they do, they will succeed as adults.

To use myself as an example, I never made a lot of money. While I enjoyed my work, my passions were family and community, and that is where I chose to put my energy. My wife and I may have to scrimp and scrape our way through retirement, and probably work part time, but we have six kids with good lives, good spouses and 17 grand kids who love us. I am content, and in my eyes successful.
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SPC Michael Duricko, Ph.D
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Proud of the both of you for having something money can't buy......Love.
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Exactly, and when our children don’t learn these concept we hurt them and our society.
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SPC Michael Duricko, Ph.D
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MSgt Robert "Rock" Aldi Unconditionally true my friend. That says it all!
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MSgt Robert "Rock" Aldi - Exactly Rock! I remember my first real job at a slaughterhouse back in 71. I was just a kid in grade school so the guys rode me a bit, I just wanted to be one of the guys. When they saw I could hold up my end and not quit I earned their friendship; that was a good feeling.
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One of the biggest things we need to do for our children and grandchildren is to teach them how to lose gracefully. Equally important is for us to teach them how to win gracefully. Without these two actions or society is in a constant state of war. MHO
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Most everyone here complaining about participation trophies likely wears or wore one....
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I understand what your saying but your wrong. Does ever washout get a uniform and a medal? Yes or no.
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SFC Michael Hasbun
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SFC (Join to see) - En inglés por favor?
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Lt Col Scott Shuttleworth
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Nope...that one was earned through blood, sweat, and tears...yes it was given to folks serving but they worked for it...
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