Posted on Nov 23, 2014
SPC Daniel Edwards
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So I saw my first military poser today at Wal-Mart of all places. Had Army ACUs, popped collar, what looked like a white turtleneck and Doc Marten's boots, patrol cap on indoors, no name tapes anywhere, Marine Corps Globe-and-Anchor on his pc, no unit patches and an American flag patch with no stars. I asked him what unit he was in, he responded with being an E-7 petty officer in the Navy.

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SPC Angel Guma
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Why not give him a handshake for serving his country, invite him to a VFW, close the door, and let people there sort it out?
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SN Shawn Wilson
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MSgt Cynthia Bishop - to be honest with you If I had stay and done a 20, took the seal team offer made the cut I would have been in my early mid forties at retirement.
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MSgt Cynthia Bishop
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No, he was claiming that he was currently a SEAL. Fifty pounds overweight, hair to his shoulders, 45+ years old and a Reservist. I think not.
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SSG Johnny Daniels
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Lol...that would NOT end well.
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PVT Dale Boggs
PVT Dale Boggs
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Best plan ever
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You "stolen valor" wannabe vigilantes need to learn how to distinguish between imitation and simply wearing stuff. Believe it or not, anyone can walk into an Army/Navy store and buy random crap, and wear it. This doesn't mean they are trying to pose. If you wanted to effectively pose as a member of a certain profession, wouldn't you make every attempt to look legit?

And another thing....most of you all lament the easily-offended nature of modern society....but you get butthurt at the littlest things that have no real impact on you. Taste the irony.
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SP5 Lori Pong
SP5 Lori Pong
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You have a good point Sarge but most civilians who have never been in wouldn't know what regulation to look for. They wouldn't know necessarily that there are specific regulations for how to arrange your ribbons. Based on the picture they obviously wouldn't also know that you don't wear your medals on your class A's. No one is butthurt but it is insulting. The only reason why someone would run around in a uniform is to gain and benefit from it even if it's something as small as a veteran's discount or a free dinner on veterans day. Who knows maybe this clown is an actor trying to play the part of a soldier and hoping he could convince those he came across that he was for real.
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LCpl Douggie Webb
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A safe bet is if they’re putting something, anything, on it. Cammies are cammies but if there’s names, ranks, etc and they’re parading around pretending to be Mattis himself. That’s stolen valor, I’ve been out for awhile now and don’t give much of a shit to call them out and make a scene unless they mention their “heroics” of war. Then you bet your ass I light them up wherever we are, aside for church. I personally don’t get offended when I’m doing that, I’m offended for the boys that went into that shitstorm and didn’t come back. Both my generations and generations past. And I don’t care if what I’m doing by lighting them up is right, wrong, or makes me seem butthurt. I didn’t lose my cousin in Afghanistan and my good friend to suicide in the stumps for Johnny on the block to try to score pussy by pretending he was there or knows one thing about service to the country. Hell no. Maybe when I get older I’ll see it differently, but as it is I have no pity for the guys that pull that move.
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Brian Smith
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I was a DoD logistics contractor at AGW, IQ in '06. I wore desert cam and boots, but absolutely no tags, patches or anything that would lead anyone to think I was regular military. I had and have too much respect for the men and women I worked with who wore the uniforms of our country or our allies.

With nearly two decades of constant warfare, an entire new generation has grown up with "military chic" styled clothing. Some designer rags come with rank patches and bogus insignia; these are not Mil surplus. Add in the Grunt Styles and Ranger Ups, veteran-owned clothing lines and you will see a ton of people of all ages in military inspired garb, including Mil surplus. During the Vietnam Era, same thing happened. Yeah, I am THAT old. We had posers then, too.

Posers like the clown in the article are people who pretend to be active duty or retired members of the US Military. Some of these people do have mental/intellectual/behavioral issues beyond their control. Getting pissed off at someone who is clearly mentally/intellectually impaired is over the top, IMO. The posers that get my goat are those outright frauds; true stolen valor maggots who profit off the reputations, forged in the fires of war, of other men. A-holes like that deserve to be taken to task by any lawful means.
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Lt Col Steve Bonning
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Most unintelligent answer/comment I've seen regarding stolen valor
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1SG Eric Rice
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If it happened on a Thursday...."Throat Punch Thursday" rules apply! On a more serious note I would have approached the individual directly and let him/her know that they were dis-respecting my brothers and sisters in arms that have sacrificed more than he will ever know. If they truly wanted to earn the respect of wearing the uniform advise them to go speak with a recruiter even though they might not deserve the time of day. All service members must do what we can to promote a positive image of our profession.
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PO2 Kim Wiltman
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PO1 Donald Hammond - Check out the USS Belknap CG 26 and the collision with the JFK. I was on the Claude V Ricketts DDG 5. Good men died that night and we weren't at war or on a SUBMARINE. That's my point!
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PO1 Donald Hammond
PO1 Donald Hammond
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Still doesn't speak to what I was speaking to. Anybody, anywhere, can die at any time. Look at the military that die in airplane crashes, in vehicle collisions, etc etc.
I never said you had to be on a submarine to die. Go back and read my statement again. Take a class in Reading Comprehension 101 and then try again.
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PO2 Neal Hegge
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PO1 Donald Hammond - You be a grumpy ol fart at times , yes .
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CW3 Matt Hutchason
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I agree Eric. The problem some of us have is that whole “positive image” thing. Cussing folks out and threatening violence to someone in public don’t quite meet that definition. Like you said, talk to people in that situation with firmness and emphasis, but not in a hostile kind of way. If nothing else, the 30 civilian people who would have otherwise thought “What a dickhead that guy was” won’t be thinking that.
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Have you seen military posers in person?
Robert Randolph
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Anyone impersonating a soldier should have the shit slapped out of them just my opinion GOD BLESS OUR TROOPS. THANK YOU ALL FOR YOUR SERVICE.
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SSgt Don Morris
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Capt David L. Duffy - Thanks Capt. Yup, we had garrison caps in the AF as well, however they weren't called "pisscutters". We did have our own name for them also, but it was no where near as polite as "pisscutters". Thanks for the info.
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Cpl Aaron Frame
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Impersonating a soldier? Who cares. Impersonating a Marine? Punishable by death. Lol
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SN Shawn Wilson
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thanks Robert didn't know ya cared lol
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PO1 Everett Holstein
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LCDR Ward Shaffer - I know khakis wore them long before 98, but I was referring to E-6 and below wearing a black pisscutter. I was in 80-99 and E-6 and below did not have them until 98.
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SGT Tony Shope
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I hear allot of vets gripe about things like this. Let me tell you about a young mixed uniform poser in my small town. You see this young adult is a bit special needs. His brother Army was killed in Iraq and his father who has passed on served in the Corp. He knows everything about the stories his mom shared about both. If you ask him he will tell you point blank he is a Corporal Sgt. He thinks he is. He had a brain injury at birth. He goes to Walmart wearing the clothing sent home and mixed the patches because he loved them both. He says thank you if someone says thanks for your service. He will shake your hand. He means no harm and mom or sis usually explain the situation to folks. So some folks wear our stuff. I am a multi tour combat vet that served nearly 12 years. I simply do not care unless it is a full blown attempt with proper badges etc. Some people think its cool. So what it does not affect our deceased comrades or brother in arms. To many important things in life to worry about. I agree stop the true posers getting drinks bought or some such. But a moron at Wally world and throat punch = jail.
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SPC Brett Curry
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Every situation is different. It sounds like the Young Man just wants to honor his brother and father. I agree 100%. There's always an exception to the rule..
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PO3 Steve Bagley
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Thank you for this share Sgt Tony Shopes . Hopefully it will be a reminder to us all , to not rush to judgement . This story makes me feel good , this young man is honoring his farther and brother who both served
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SGT Tony Shope
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PO3 Steve Bagley - Steve I had not seen this young man for a few years until 3 days ago. He now carries as he is being trained by an adult living facility, although he remains with mom. He now has dad and brothers DD214 in his (poser) pocket. He remembered me hugged me, and said look what I get to keep. He then showed me the papers. He said no bodiies (SP SIC intentional) can tell me off. I said no person should ever tell you off and his mom ordered name tags below his brother and fathers (he wears both uniforms camo and dress) that say in loving memory of my dad and brother. PS I was impressed as he was at church in Class A's and he can align the awards better than many soldiers. He takes pride in that. It
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PO3 Chris Sutphin
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The only ones that bother me are the ones that try to convince me that they’re real vets and they or their stuff doesn’t match the yarn they’re spinning, like the “airborne ranger, green beret, gunnery sergeant with the top secret mos...
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SSgt Josh Hanke
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I have one that just started working at my security firm as a low level ECP/gatesitter. I have been there managing the site for 3 years, and on his very first day, this douche is telling me how I should do my job. He is one of those really dim, slow types...something mentally wrong with him. I told him I had been there 3 years, plus semi-related experiences over the course of a 12 year military term, and that I run the site, not him. He yelled at me that he served 5 years in the Army, while sitting there wearing a Navy veteran cap, and told me he outranked me. I asked him jpb/base/rank, etc....he sat there with a blank stare as he turned bright red, rolled up his vehicle window and pretended I wasn't there.....guess he didn't think that far ahead. Needless to say, he didn't last long.
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SGT Thomas Price
SGT Thomas Price
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I just went to the range here in town today and the guy behind the desk told me that his dad taught him to shoot - his dad was a Green Beret in the military...for 45 years! Now, he could have been at one time Spec Ops and the 45 years could be a total of active and reserve / guard, but I must admit, I almost called bullshit. But I didn't. Not my issue. But I didn't believe a word he said.
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SP5 Norman McGill
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You never know Tom. You have to be careful with these things.
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SP5 Norman McGill
SP5 Norman McGill
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SSgt Bruce McClelland - I'd like to know that too. Back in my day 64 to 70 I never heard the term.
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SSG Cecil Stroud Jr.
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Popped collar is a an unauthorized way to to wear the ACU or the new uniform. It is wearing the shirt zipped up all the way and the collar turned up. The only time that is authorized is if you are in the field and wearing body armor unless unit SOP says otherwise. If they are in uniform and wearing it like that you need to tighten up their shot group with an on the spot correction.
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SSG Wes Sloat
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Everyone that says its not illegal unless there is intent to gain from the wearing of the uniform is right but if a person is asked their unit, like in this senerio, and they clearly are in the the military but their response is that they are and you don't have an issue with it then there's a problem. I find it extremely disrespectful for someone to pull stunts like this. Its disrespect to everyone that's has served especially those that died wearing that uniform.
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Jim Hornback
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Thank you all for your service. I admire and respect our military and truly appreciate what you all do and have done.
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PO2 Rev. Frederick C. Mullis, AFI, CFM
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Sgt James Pibbles - Au Contraire You are partially right there Sarge, Ya'll might be the only Branch that can say that BUT Aviation Ordnancemen be they Navy or Marine once they put on the Flying flaming piss pot We are AO's FOREVER! because IYAOYAS! The Brotherhood is tight and lasts forever.
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SN Shawn Wilson
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PO2 Rev. Frederick C. Mullis, AFI, CFM - well at least you never had to go get a bucket of steam.
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PO2 Rev. Frederick C. Mullis, AFI, CFM
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SN Shawn Wilson - Shawn, Being second generation NAVY, I knew all the little pranks long before I ever raised my hand. Relative Bearing Grease, Mail Bouy Watch, Portable Pad Eye's, Keys to the COD, Passenger Blivits. Hell I even had my hair cut by my own barber before I went to Boot, I jumped in the chair with almost a completely shaved head, and told the barber to take a little off the Top, He smiled and said "Get out of my chair you smart ass!"
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SSgt Gordon Olayvar
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IMHO: God knows there are tons of posers out there, we should identify and hold them accountable whenever the oppurtunerty presents itself. On the other hand, there are those that are mentaly ill. I've known and have seen so much of it on our streets the past twenty or so years working law enforcement. It's a very tragic reality throughout America. Know the difference between the two, hold one accountable and help & heal the other.
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SPC David Schuler
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I feel like I'm upvoting every answer but they're all hitting close to home. I put twenty-five years in Illinois state prisons and the time spent in mental health and segregation units was made harder when you realize the hopelessness. You try to develop enough of a rapport with the inmates that you can get through a shift without suicides, cell extractions, or fire hoses. When you get there you realize that this is the rest of their life. When they go past a certain point there is no outdate, no reintegration, and no return to the world. Some of them came in with a year or two and manage to turn it into life.
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SSG(P) D. Wright Downs
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SPC David Schuler - I am from Attica, NY. I was on the medical team after the riot in 71. It is a long story. However, I knew many of the hostages, some who were killed, you get the picture.I enlisted in the Army a few years later. The riot had an impact on my life. It is the employer in the area. My brother worked there after he got out of the Army. The NYS Corrections system was the place to work. There were riots at another place when I was in the Army and set up emergency leave. Being from the area where there are prisons, we learned that life is very uncertain after 1971.There is still that mindset in the 'prison towns that is in the military.
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SGT Thomas Price
SGT Thomas Price
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CWO3 (Join to see) - No good deed goes unpunished, right? And my all time favorite, "The road to hell is paved with good intentions." Until the hostilities cease, I would treat everyone as a wolf and not sheep.
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SGT Thomas Price - Yes and I was trying to say that sometimes a stray dog will bite the hand that feeds it. It comes with the territory of being a stray. Once bitten it doesn't matter what your intentions were, and death is final.
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TSgt Joshua Copeland
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Goofier than a football bat.
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CW4 Michael Moritz
CW4 Michael Moritz
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SFC Jim Ruether - thanks Jim, my late dad served eight years in infantry, won bronz star inWWII, when old he worn his uniform, it was really correct, and being military I would try fix it. Think about it, if a crusader accused him of being a fake? My half brother's dad wound at Anizo, more than like could of been a similar case. I am very careful whom I call out, I only once quested a guy in NYC looking for money, where is your VA card, I ask him if disabled veteran? Loads of hero, especially WWII and Korea veterans that can wear uniform properly due to old age and senility. Thanks for your rely, and your service. Jim I always held more respect for senior NCO's than officers, since I was one. Mike
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CW4 Tim Claus
CW4 Tim Claus
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One thing I can say for certain, the older uniforms I still have don't fit, the last ones I wore as recently as 5 years ago don't fit nearly as well as they did when I retired. Age and gravity takes a toll, along with just shy of 40 years of service.
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1SG Eric Marsh
1SG Eric Marsh
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I retired in 1995 after twenty four years of combined active and reserve and guard service with an eleven year break to raise a family. My service included both hot and cold war participation. My uniforms hang in the closet and are tended to as required. Last memorial day a young grandson asked if I would take him to the city parade in Manchester, NH. I had not worn the class A's since my retirement twenty five years earlier. It fit like a glove, (think OJ's trial) I wore the short sleeve T W (tropical worsted) tan dress shirt this spring, it also fit like a glove with room to spare.
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CPT Andrew Wright
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It must be the humidity. All my uniforms have shrunk in the closet since my 2012 retirement also. Went from XL to XXL in T-shirts too.
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PO2 Chris Harlander
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Usually panhandlers.
My favorite said he was a Nam vet, problem was he was barely 30.
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PFC Geoff Stanford
PFC Geoff Stanford
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My favorite is when young kids asked if I served in Vietnam (I'm 50). I tell them "Look, I was BORN during that war, not in it. I wasn't hunting Charlie in the jungle in my diaper with a pop gun." Most laugh when I point that put.
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CPL Mark Hitzner
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SMSgt Kevin Bishop - I have one of those also or whats left of it has a purple color as I remember I to need to upgrade. LOL!
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SP5 Peter Keane
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SGT James Ray - didn't ask me, but it is on it.
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SPC Duane Anderson
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“Frank you went to Vietnam in the 90’s to open a sweatshop”

“That’s right and we lost a lot of good men in there “

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