Posted on Jul 16, 2015
House panel OKs new rules for firing VA workers. Do you think it will pass?
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A house panel approved and advanced plans to make it easier to fire VA employees. It was passed despite opposition from panel Democrats saying it is unconstitutional, attacks employees, and labor unions.
What are your thoughts?
http://www.militarytimes.com/story/veterans/2015/07/15/va-accountability-act-advances/30188617/
A key House panel on Wednesday advanced plans to make it easier to fire Veterans Affairs Department employees and harder to punish whistleblowers, despite accusations from Democrats that the legislation tramples on the Constitution.
The bill — which still has a long path through Congress and the White House before becoming law — would give the VA secretary the authority to punish any department employee "if [their] performance or misconduct warrants such removal or demotion."
That would streamline the appeals process to under one month and limit how long employees could sit on paid suspension.
House Veterans Affairs Committee members said the legislation builds off similar employment authorities passed by Congress last summer that applied only to top-level department officials. It's also designed to address frequent complaints from lawmakers about the VA's inability to dismiss workers at the heart of several high-profile scandals.
VA leaders have said that the process is complex and time-consuming, but also necessary to make sure employees' rights are being respected.
But bill sponsor and committee chairman Rep. Jeff Miller, R-Fla., accused those officials of too often opting for paid suspensions and job transfers over real solutions. He noted that one infamous recent case in which an employee was found guilty of taking a VA hospital patient to buy drugs took more than a year to resolve.
"There are some rotten people in the department who need to be fired," Miller said in an emotional speech at Wednesday's hearing. "This is about doing what's right. Are you going to stand with bureaucrats or veterans?"
The committee approved the measure on a 14-10 party line vote, with Democrats calling it an attack on VA employees and unions.
"This is a right-to-work debate we have going on here," said Rep. Tim Walz, D-Minn. "Let's not kid ourselves."
The measure includes language that would allow VA officials to pull back some pension benefits for fired employees and authorizes the Government Accountability Office to study "the amount of time spent by VA employees carrying out labor organizing activities."
Committee Democrats unsuccessfully attempted to add some employee protections back into the measure, saying Miller's proposal makes every VA worker "permanently probational." But Republicans on the panel said that would water down the legislation.
The bill includes language to provide special protections for VA whistleblowers, blocking retaliation by managers upset by their actions. The panel also unanimously adopted an amendment to authorize travel expenses and work credit for whistleblowers who testify before Congress.
Democrats on the panel said they support many provisions of the measure and predicted an intense floor fight over the employment protections.
VA officials have not offered an official position on the new rules but have expressed concerns about violating workers' rights with similar past proposals. Several high-profile veterans groups have backed the measure, arguing that changes are needed to improve customer service at the department.
What are your thoughts?
http://www.militarytimes.com/story/veterans/2015/07/15/va-accountability-act-advances/30188617/
A key House panel on Wednesday advanced plans to make it easier to fire Veterans Affairs Department employees and harder to punish whistleblowers, despite accusations from Democrats that the legislation tramples on the Constitution.
The bill — which still has a long path through Congress and the White House before becoming law — would give the VA secretary the authority to punish any department employee "if [their] performance or misconduct warrants such removal or demotion."
That would streamline the appeals process to under one month and limit how long employees could sit on paid suspension.
House Veterans Affairs Committee members said the legislation builds off similar employment authorities passed by Congress last summer that applied only to top-level department officials. It's also designed to address frequent complaints from lawmakers about the VA's inability to dismiss workers at the heart of several high-profile scandals.
VA leaders have said that the process is complex and time-consuming, but also necessary to make sure employees' rights are being respected.
But bill sponsor and committee chairman Rep. Jeff Miller, R-Fla., accused those officials of too often opting for paid suspensions and job transfers over real solutions. He noted that one infamous recent case in which an employee was found guilty of taking a VA hospital patient to buy drugs took more than a year to resolve.
"There are some rotten people in the department who need to be fired," Miller said in an emotional speech at Wednesday's hearing. "This is about doing what's right. Are you going to stand with bureaucrats or veterans?"
The committee approved the measure on a 14-10 party line vote, with Democrats calling it an attack on VA employees and unions.
"This is a right-to-work debate we have going on here," said Rep. Tim Walz, D-Minn. "Let's not kid ourselves."
The measure includes language that would allow VA officials to pull back some pension benefits for fired employees and authorizes the Government Accountability Office to study "the amount of time spent by VA employees carrying out labor organizing activities."
Committee Democrats unsuccessfully attempted to add some employee protections back into the measure, saying Miller's proposal makes every VA worker "permanently probational." But Republicans on the panel said that would water down the legislation.
The bill includes language to provide special protections for VA whistleblowers, blocking retaliation by managers upset by their actions. The panel also unanimously adopted an amendment to authorize travel expenses and work credit for whistleblowers who testify before Congress.
Democrats on the panel said they support many provisions of the measure and predicted an intense floor fight over the employment protections.
VA officials have not offered an official position on the new rules but have expressed concerns about violating workers' rights with similar past proposals. Several high-profile veterans groups have backed the measure, arguing that changes are needed to improve customer service at the department.
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PO1 John Miller I hope it does, because I think there are some VA Employees that have used the system to hide and they aren't very productive. I believe this is a "wake-up" call! Now if we can get Congress to pass the same type of legislation for them when they aren't doing the job that would be perfect. Not likely, but perfect!
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COL Mikel J. Burroughs
CPT(P) (Join to see) & PO1 John Miller I have to agree with you both. It is very difficult to fire or replace a civil service employee (you have to have mounds of documentation) and then you have to have support up their chain as well. No disrespect to any all civil service members out on RP Nation. I'm only describing individuals that I've encountered. There are some really great civil service workers in the force as well and they need to be recognized for their service.
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PO1 John Miller as hard as that is to believe, the reality of the situation is even more disturbing to me!
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COL Mikel J. Burroughs - I second your sentiments about the number of quality civil service employees out there doing great things. unfortunately just like any job, you spend %90 of your time dealing with %10 of our people. When it is near impossible to get ride of someone that is not a performer, it not only sets a team back but also provides obstacles for organizations to be effective.
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PO1 John Miller
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That GS I mentioned didn't get fired but he was forced to retire shortly after I PCS'd from that command. None of the other GS's in my work center could stand him (they were all very hard working) and in fact one GS had gotten in trouble for literally choking him once. The choker had to go to anger management training and the lazy f**k got free convalescent leave.
That GS I mentioned didn't get fired but he was forced to retire shortly after I PCS'd from that command. None of the other GS's in my work center could stand him (they were all very hard working) and in fact one GS had gotten in trouble for literally choking him once. The choker had to go to anger management training and the lazy f**k got free convalescent leave.
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I am not sure on the legalities of this, but the efforts to improve the VA are needed.
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PO1 John Miller
CW3 (Join to see) I'm out of up votes but I'll get you tomorrow. Changes are definitely needed across the board in the VA, both in procedures AND personnel.
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PO1 John Miller I am always surprised at the lack of oversight the VA seemed to have.
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