Posted on Aug 23, 2015
SPC Medical Logistics Specialist
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I am trying to get my gear ready to for turn in, but I can't seem to understand why I have a pair of small arms black plates on my clothing record. I have not had this black plates since I turned them in coming back from Afghanistan. Is there any way to reconcile this issue without having to pay for something that I honestly don't have?
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SSG Unit Supply Specialist
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Getting with Supply is only part of it. You need to to have documented proof you turned it in. Sad to say but the CIF system is broken in that the updates and turn ins do not always take effect. I advise my soldier that if they do not have records or never received the T/I document from CIF then draft a memorandum to be signed by the unit commander listing the names and the details of the turn in. I.e. time date location and the supervisor of the turn in team. Then Supply can send that forward to CIF and they will usually pull it from all the listed people's records. If Not, then Supply will need to work with the command staff and the BN and BDE level and PBO and file a DD200 against the CIF station . That works well especially if you have witness statements from multiple soldiers who witnessed the turn in. Refer to AR 735-5 chap 13
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SSG Rick Austin
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CIF has ALWAYS been broken since I was in from 77-92... Had a steel pot that we would use to Bath and cook in while in Germany. Went to turn it in guy says we can't accept this it has burn marks on it. I'm looking behind him at a bin full of steel pots that have sen much better days... took it to motor pool, painted it with OD spray paint and right back to CIF. Guy states... you didn't have to paint it, just brushed it off... what a maroon..
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SSG John Bacon
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CPT John Hermida You are correct get with the Supply NCO he should have Records going back at least 6 years. I kept all my records for 9 years and it served me and my Commanders well. I have seen CIF try to pull this stuff on a regular basis and if you did something in Iraq or Afghanistan the CIF records do not automatically update as they should. Same goes for PBO Operations down Range.
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SSG John Bacon
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Also if it was a 1 for 1 swap do you have the Green or Tan Plates that you received if so get with the CIF PBO and explain what happened just having the plates is proof of the 1 for 1 swap. Or is this an issue where they put the Tan or Green plates on your record and just didn't remove the Black "Training" plates?
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SPC Medical Logistics Specialist
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This could be result of not getting the initial CIF when I got to Hood. I was deployed within 2 months so my initial gear was OEF pattern.
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Unfortunately as a Unit Supply Sergeant I see this all too often. Harsh reality is that unless you have paperwork from Afghanistan proving you turned them in you are likely going to be paying for them.
This is why I urge Soldier of ALL ranks to make sure they get copies of turn in and issue transactions and that they keep those records in their "I love me" files at home.
You never know when stuff like this rears its ugly head.
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SSG Senior Supply Sergeant
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another one will be if you get charge maintain a copy of the Statement of charges for 5 year, Finances tent to make mistakes and charge you again.
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How can I clear CIF for items that I am not supposed to have?
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Do you have copies of the paperwork stating you turned them in?
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SSG Jose Padillajimenez
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Get a memo signed by your commander saying that yoy turned them in Afghanistan if you need more go to a FLiPO dont pay for a mistake that CIF made
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SSG Unit Supply Specialist
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Look In your clothing files with your unit supply NCO ! It should have paper trail in there
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SGT Unit Supply Specialist
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If you have papers that show you turned them in you will be dime.
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SGT Unit Supply Specialist
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CPL Randy Bautista
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Is very common... If you do not have copies of turn-in you will need to start a FLIPL to start an investigation that will end up clearing you. If not you will then be forced to pay. With that said conduct a company wide CIF check I'm sure you are not the only one unless it was that you conducted a mass issue/ turn-in then you would need to have them transformed to the companies CIF account
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Do you have any record of turning these plates in? If not, be prepared to do a statement of charges. You could try for a FLIPL, but hen you would be flagged and not able to PCS or ETS until the FLIPL is finished. And, if they find you at fault, you would still end up paying for the items. I have seen this in the past, quite a few times. Unless you have documentation proving you turned the items in, your supply SGT can do nothing to take it off of your records.
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SPC (Join to see), your Supply Sgt didn't do their job. Those get added to your clothing record temporarily and then when you turn them in, the Supply Sgt is supposed update your record.
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SSG John Bacon, trust me, I know how CIF works and you are right, you should maintain and scrub your own records to ensure that they are accurate. My point was that in most units, body armor (ESAPI) are drawn by the Suppy SGT and then issued to each Soldier in the unit seprately, at least thats how it was the 4 times that I have deployed. I think that concept was adopted to keep the entire Battalion from bogging down the CIF on any giving day or week just for plates.
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SSG John Bacon
SSG John Bacon
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Ah, we didn't do that at Fort Campbell, It was a straight CIF Draw for every soldier. We did have a few issues with Drawing replacement plates down range but we mitigated alot of the issues by requesting copies of all the records so the soldier got one and supply got another.
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SSG Platoon Sergeant, Supply Sergeant, Sharp
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CW3 it is not the supply SGTs job to remove anything from soldiers clothing records. This is only controlled by CIF, as a supply Sgt I do save all the records my unit does as a whole but as we all know mass turn ins never include 100℅ of the comoany. Appointments and everything else people can come up with to not be at appointed turn ins. Every soldier is given turn in paperwork when leaving CIF and told to hang on to it for their record. Most of the time the soldier just throws this away due to a lack of being trained by their first line leadership the importance of accountability. Every time someone is missing something it is not the supply sergeants fault. We have enough in our plate running around finding all the commanders property that the sub hand receipt holder can not find and trying to explain to them what their own equipment is. There has been a total lack of supply command discipline across the board that has only gotten worst in the last 5+ years, but I guess it is just easier to bkam the supply sergeants for it all.
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SPC, you have had these plates on your clothing record for over 4 years and you are just now noticing? I see that you are a medical supply specialist yourself. I hope that you don't keep accountability of the medical equipment and supplies you are in charge of as badly as you keep accountability of your own personally issued items. I am a supply sgt. I have done issues in the way that the CW3 describes and I have seen mass turn ins at CIF. All can go badly for a soldier who does not take RESPONSIBILITY for his/her own equipment and documentation. If you came to my SQDN S4 and gave me the sad sob story of not noticing the items on your records, I would advise you to just take yourself to the CIF and do a statement of charges. If you chose not to do that, then yes, your supply sgt would have no choice but to initiate a FLIPL, wasting a lot of peoples time with the same end result, but with a little twist. You paying for the items and a flag being placed on you. It is easy for everyone to blame the supply sgt, first line supervisor, commander, or anyone else in the soldiers chain of command or NCO support channel, but the bottom line is this is YOUR equipment, not theirs. Therefore, it is YOUR responsibility to maintain accountability of the items and to report any loss, damage, destruction, or discrepancies of your records in a TIMELY manner. 4 years in not timely.
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