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Posted on Oct 24, 2014
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MAJ Jim Woods
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I got 4 of them. Including the "V". Last one in 1970.
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PO3 Jeff Troiano
PO3 Jeff Troiano
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My father was awarded the Bronze start for meritorious achievement, and also a silver star, during the Vietnam war. He says he wasn’t in a combat. I have seen both the awards and the accompanying certificates signed by the president. I recently asked him about them. He simply said they weren’t for “Valor” but achievement. I thought the silver star was only awarded for Valor. Is he telling me the truth, or could this be a sign he doesn’t want to talk about the things that may have gotten him these medals?
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Carol Wootten
Carol Wootten
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recently found my Dads discharge papers. he received 5 bronze stars. served in the US army Sept 42 to Oct 45. he never mentioned them to us. how do i find out more info?
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Lara Raskin
Lara Raskin
6 mo
Carol Wootten - I am having the same issue!!! ON his paperwork it said recomended for 3 bronze stars but when we submitted his paperwork posthumously, the only stars that came back were 4 service stars on his Vietnam Service Medal. Wasn't sure how i can inquire about the 3 bronze stars???
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Sean McPhail
Sean McPhail
4 mo
Carol Wootten - Can you post a screenshot of what you are referring to? If that is on his World War II discharge, it is probably referring to five bronze campaign stars on either his European-African-Middle Eastern Campaign Medal or his Asiatic-Pacific Campaign Medal. Those would represent service in designated campaigns during the war. I would doubt very seriously that anyone was awarded five separate Bronze Star Medals during World War II since the medal was only created in 1944.
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COL Jason Smallfield, PMP, CFM, CM
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Great laydown and history of the BSM but I would like to add a few points:
- It is arguable which award holds the most disdain among Soldiers. BSM is high but may not be the highestest. Other possibly high disdain awards are any of the "breathing" medals awarded by time (NDSM National Defense Service Medal), location (KDSM Korean Defense Service medal), event (HSM Humanitarian Service Medal), or campaign medals (ACMCS, ICMSC). A close second are the service ribbons (Overseas Service Ribbon, Army Service Ribbon). Collectively these awards/ribbons make Soldiers look like WWII Soviet Generals.
- There are a limited number of military awards with only broad definitions for guidance that give a wide amount of latitude to local commanders. The good news is local commanders are given a "band" to operate within but the bad news is that the "shot group" used by the commanders can vary widely.
- The above means there is a consistent effort to add more awards to the military awards. Recent examples include a retirement medal and the medal for UAV pilots that was to have been placed above the BSM in precedence (neither was implemented) along with the CAB which was implemented.
- Why an award was initiated and how it is used now usually differ. Therefore the historical awareness is informative but less useful than one would think. Look at how the Purple Heart and Congressional Medal of Honor have morphed over the years. Change itself is not necessarily a bad thing.
- Rank and responsibility. Many Soldiers (and leaders) equate rank with eligibility for award. By AR this is not true but in application there is some truth to this. For peacetime PCS awards (AAM, ARCOM, MSM, etc) I agree that scope of responsibility should be a criteria of consideration for an award. For combat awards (BSM, SS, etc), however, the act alone and not the rank should be the primary consideration.
- The solution to the award problem (as noted above by the BSM) is not to add more awards but to enable a tighter "shot" group by local commanders when they approve awards at the designated levels.
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MSG Mechanic Trainee
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let me add something, i retired after 31 yrs, my command wanted me to write the the citation for my retirement msm, in my long career i have 5aam, 1 acm, 1 msm, ngcm, agcm, and cab this was a unit that also wanted its nco's and o's to do their own ncoer/oer, your thinking wtf, reserves, lack of knowledge, lack of time, not getting paid to do work outside of drill, this was the only unit that i ever had to deal with this type of problem, i've been active and reserves and at no time was ever asked to write my award, i was just happy to get one are there any other experiences out there similar, please post
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C.A. Giacoma
C.A. Giacoma
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Amen.
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Sgt Exsgt007 .
Sgt Exsgt007 .
10 mo
I know of E-3´s and E-4´s that received the MSM. Sometimes commanders with the ¨Do more for less¨ concept really tax lower grade enlisted folks that really perform in meeting challenges.
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PO2 Rev. Frederick C. Mullis, AFI, CFM
PO2 Rev. Frederick C. Mullis, AFI, CFM
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SSG(P) (Join to see) - I agree totally, While on the USS Enterprise, after Disaster Relief Operations on the Island Continent of Maritius, when Tropical Storm Gervais hit that Island, and then having to run and go through Operation Frequent Wind, I feel everyone on the Enterprise earned our HSM's.
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CH (LTC) Jim Howard
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I was in the Army long enough to get all of the basic medals including the Bronze Star Medal. I don't think medals mean that much but I was by one of my dad's friend's grave yesterday who was a Company Commander from Normandy all the way through the defeat of Germany and its occupation. On the simple brass plaque it said Captain, US Army, World War II and Bronze Star Medal. A simple understated testimony to the fact that at one point in his life, he did a good job. Soon the grass will obscure all of the letters on this simple plaque. Few will know how good a man he really was. In the end, it matters more what is in your chest than what is on it and the people who's lives we touch.
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SSG Infantry Senior Sergeant
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IN WWII , KOREA, AND IN VIETNAM BRONZE STARS WERE AWARDED TO ALL RANKS. I'm a Vietnam Vet that was in the Infantry. Awards of the Bronze Star for Meritorious Service or Achievement were awarded to E-1 thru E-4 if they were personally and directly involved in a combat engagement !!! Our E-5 and above received it if they were or were not in a combat action. To change how this award is awarded is totally WRONG !! IT IS NOT NOR EVER WAS A CAREER ORIENTED AWARD AWARDED EXCLUSIVELY TO E-7 and ABOVE !!! Today's Army are completely outside the regulations !!! AWARDED TO ANY SOLDIER WHILE SERVING IN ANY CAPACITY !!!! ANY CAPACITY !!! ANY CAPACITY MEANS ANY RANK !!! ACTUAL COMBAT IS THE HIGHEST LEVEL OF MERIT YOU CAN ASK OF ANY SOLDIER !! HIS LIFE HIS CAREER AND ALL THAT HE IS AS A HUMAN ARE ON THE LINE !!!!! UNLIKE THOSE WHO ARE CAREER SOLDIERS THAT MAY RETIRE FROM THE SERVICE !!! SOME GIVE ALL BUT THAT SOME ARE NOT IN THE UPPER RANKS !!!
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SSG Infantry Senior Sergeant
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A ARMY COMMENDATION AWARDED FOR MERITORIOUS SERVICE OR ACHIEVEMENT IS {{{ NOT }}} A COMBAT AWARD FOR PEACETIME OR WARTIME !!!!
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C.A. Giacoma
C.A. Giacoma
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MSG Gerald M O'Rourke - well said Sir.
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SGM Joe Young
SGM Joe Young
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Always said I never needed to brag about where I had been or what I had done in my career. Avoided wearing my ribbons as much as possible. Had a CSM who made it mandatory that all his 1SG’s had to wear them when we sat on any battalion boards.
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