Posted on Jun 10, 2019
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I've seen several people here with the "R" by their name and their rank is E5 or E6. I'm not a rank snob but I wonder how it is possible to stay in for 20 years and never make it beyond E6? I made E5 in the USAF in under 4 years.
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SGM Steve Wettstein
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Unless it's changed, a SGT(P) can stay in 20 years. Seen it happen once before the GWOT started. There was a reason he was only a SGT(P) and I'm glad he wasn't put in my PLT while I was a PSG. Also, SSGs have always been able to do at least 20. If I remember correctly, during the worst parts of GWOT they're RCP was up to 24 yrs.

Before GWOT, SSG retirees were pretty common. Before I retired in '13, it seemed like SFC turned into the new SSG for retirement. It seemed that it wasn't as 'special' to be selected into the Senior NCO Corps. Many SNCOs had the same feelings.
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SGT Air Defense Radar Repairer
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Seems to me a real LTC would know about folks being medically retired. They would also know how long an E-6 could remain in the service.
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SSG Lloyd Becker BSBA-HCM, MBA
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I retired as an E6 in 1988. The Army had a program for E5s with 10 years of service can retire. It was a limited program and the E5 was advised to take it. And he did. That program existed for about a year.
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SSG Gordon Holmes
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I am not retired. But I have over 20 years of service. I had several breaks in service. My 20 years extends from 1973 through 2011. My last enlistment in 2005 didn't have an E-6 slot for me so I took an E-5 slot in the CAANG. I was injured in 2007 and put in inactive status. So that is why I never made it beyond E-6.
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SSG Aircraft Mechanic
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They could be Guard, where there aren’t TiG limits on staying in.
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SGT Human Resources Specialist
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Happens all the time in the National Guard. Especially in low density MOSs. if there's 1 E-8 slot in the state, 4 x E-7, 6 x E-6, 10 x E-5; You can expect people who don't want to reclassify to stay LONG stretches at E-5 or E-6 ... Think public affairs, band, plumber.
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SSG Robert Perrotto
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MSgt Kurt S. responding to your question
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SSG Robert Perrotto
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MSgt Kurt S. - I have a blue ID card, Orders, and DD214 that states "Retired". I can no longer post on that specific thread.
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PO1 Gery Bastiani
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well u made PO1/E6 in five years in the Navy Seabees where E7 and above is tight. For advancement we in the Navy take an exam E1-E6 the tests are given twice a year E7 is given once a year in January then in May you spend in a package with other achievements that aren't covered in the exam. then in June your record goes to a review board and from there they pick who gets advance. then it depends on how many openings there are for your rate, so for my last 8 years on average they would promote from 4 to 8 E7's. and in the Seabees which at that time there were only 9,000 on active duty so it made it kind of tight. Don't know how it is in the AF for advancement but in the Navy it just makes a little bit harder but this way they get the best to be able to be called CHIEF. like my Dad
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SSG Jose M. Hernandezsanchez
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Well Sir,
I won't make any excuses, but I come from a very competitive career field where we don't have a lot E-8s and E-9s. Competitive in a sense when you really had/have to have your stuff tight...school, leadership positions, duty assignments, etc...pretty much no discrepancies. I don't know how many Sergeant Majors are there in my former career field now, probably 4, maybe 5. I know a lot of service members and friends that retired as SSGs that had their stuff tight, new their job inside out, did everything they could do to get promoted, and never got picked up to a higher rank. Some of those individuals got offered jobs outside the military because they owned security clearances, like myself.
To make E-7 or SFC in my career field is almost like making Sergeant Major because it is that small. With that said, if you get in serious trouble like me, and I'm not taking about small stuff, I'm talking about to the point of receiving letter of reprimand from a three-star General, yeah Sir, you let me know how the rest of your career is going to go after that in your records. Another thing is/was the promotion systems which was almost impossible to make E-5 or E-6 because they were up on 798 out of 800 most of the year. I mean, I can go on and on...individuals like going back to the promotion boards to raise their points because they couldn't make it year after year. I think the lowest I've ever saw the points going low was to 785...I know because that's how many points I had when I got picked up for SSG.
Last but not least, yes I could've stayed a couple more years, but I chose not to. My family had enough of me been gone overseas. As much I like the Army and the job, I just had enough, my mind and body had enough.
People get out or retire without reaching the personal goals they set for themselves for different reasons Sir. Just remember that when your time comes, with due all respect.
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I started out as an E3 35 years ago this month. I had nearly 9 year break in service after Desert Storm. I've been active duty USAF, Air Force reserves, Air National Guard, Army guard and Army reserves. Veteran of Desert Storm and OIF/OEF along with numerous CONUS and OCONUS mobilizations. I was a PL during hurricane cleanup efforts after hurricane Ivan hit the gulf coast. I was a task force commander during relief efforts after the tornadoes destroyed much of Tuscaloosa. My last deployment, I not only volunteered but I went to our BN CO and demanded to be relieved of my company command so that I could deploy with the BN HQ. I have held 3 air force AFSCs and 6 Army MOSs. If I never make LTC and have to retire as a Major I think that's pretty good, all things considered. Like some people have accused, maybe I am a rank snob. Maybe I was more fortunate than others. Or maybe I just worked very hard and refused to take no for an answer. And maybe because I was able to get promoted relatively quickly, I find it hard to imagine how everyone else can't do the same. But mainly, I asked the question because I know several people who were forced out as E4 or E5 because they couldn't get promoted and curious as to how/why others were allowed to remain until retirement.
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SSG Jose M. Hernandezsanchez
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I understand Sir. I believe we all get the same chances/opportunities to advance in the military or career field, what we do with those opportunities, that's a different story. I made mistakes thoughout my career which cost me the posibility of advancing pass SSG. But I still did what I had to do to get promoted, I just didn't get picked up. By the time my third attempt came, the 20 years mark was around the corner so, I gave that one last try. Decided to hang it up when my name was not on the list, and mostly after a very long talk with my family. One other mistake I made was deployments, and forgot other valuable things I could have done while back in garrison...I didn't mention that on my response to your post Sir. And if I ever get the opportunity to go back in time, I would never gotten in that car drunk, or done the other things I did. I would work on promotion.
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